Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 I have solved this issue by systematically eliminating my sense of humor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 2 hours ago, AbsolutSurgen said: I'm not sure which is more comical -- the American right which equates this to a book burning, or the American left which is calling Seuss a racist. Is the American Left calling him a racist though? Who? Has a single prominent Democrat said a single word about any of this? I don't feel like any of the big Lefty news sources covered this at all. Why would they? It's not even news. Literally nothing newsworthy happened. I feel like this is a debate the right is having with themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 3 hours ago, ort said: This isn't real, but dammit it could be: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 2 hours ago, thewhyteboar said: This isn't real, but dammit it could be: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 13 hours ago, sblfilms said: Not overemphasizing the “Punching up/down” thing is something we need to be careful of in regards to not infantilizing members of particular groups as though they couldn’t possibly handle a joke. I think generally mocking people is lazy though, especially on the basis of supposed group characteristics. I think this is more what I'm getting at, yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 OVERHEARD AT FOX... Okay, so what's the big news of the day... Well, republicans in congress are fighting like hell against a bill that something like 75% of Americans strongly support... OK, perfect, so let's run with "Liberals are cancelling Dr. Seuss!!" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 14 hours ago, sblfilms said: Not overemphasizing the “Punching up/down” thing is something we need to be careful of in regards to not infantilizing members of particular groups as though they couldn’t possibly handle a joke. I think generally mocking people is lazy though, especially on the basis of supposed group characteristics. You sound like someone from under the Orange Sun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 51 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I imagine it must be super frustrating to be a right winger and realize that no one on "your side" is funny at all. Like at all. Like, ever... I mean, I had to look at this and try to decide if it was a real Ben Garrison cartoon or a bad parody... and I'm still not 100% sure and that's a bad sign. What is he even trying to say here? It's just like they are twitching uncontrollably and screaming about about socialism, immigrants and cancel culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 56 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Perfectly on-brand for Garrison to depict Green Eggs and Ham as bad and gross when the whole point of the story was that the unnamed protagonist was just being stubborn and afraid to try new things. Once he actually tried it he realized he liked it and he'd been a fool, and Sam-I-Am was only trying to help. I know "you didn't understand the source material" is a common complaint in political cartoons but it's especially amusing given that the entire point is supposed to be in defense of Seuss and his works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 33 minutes ago, marioandsonic said: Perfectly on-brand for Garrison to depict Green Eggs and Ham as bad and gross when the whole point of the story was that the unnamed protagonist was just being stubborn and afraid to try new things. Once he actually tried it he realized he liked it and he'd been a fool, and Sam-I-Am was only trying to help. I know "you didn't understand the source material" is a common complaint in political cartoons but it's especially amusing given that the entire point is supposed to be in defense of Seuss and his works. As we mentioned on the discord earlier, the sneetches is actually good and he also missed the point in it as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 26 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: As we mentioned on the discord earlier, the sneetches is actually good and he also missed the point in it as well Also, in Horton Hears A Who, the Whos are specifically intended to symbolize the Japanese in the aftermath of World War II, and Horton is supposed to symbolize America helping them survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 hour ago, marioandsonic said: I know "you didn't understand the source material" is just how right-wingers are. Fixed it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ort Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 I hadn't bothered listening to his neanderthal comment because I'm actively trying to pay way less attention to this stuff... but wow... when you hear it in context it's such a nothing throw away statement. I mean, give me a break with the faux outrage. Just stop republicans. It's flipping ridiculous... Trump said like 5-10 worse and/or more shocking things every single week he was in office... and now they are pretending like this is some sort of big deal? Save it, you dishonest hucksters. No one is buying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Oh man, this is from like 4 years ago, but I don't think this was in the news, but man is this librarian salty... ooooohhheeeeeee.... The Horn Book | Family Reading | Dear Mrs. Trump WWW.HBOOK.COM Dear Mrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 6, 2021 Author Share Posted March 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, ort said: Oh man, this is from like 4 years ago, but I don't think this was in the news, but man is this librarian salty... ooooohhheeeeeee.... The Horn Book | Family Reading | Dear Mrs. Trump WWW.HBOOK.COM Dear Mrs. lol she fucking copied his fucking stroke patient signature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Uaarkson Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Pepe Le Pew being rapey is like, last century news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Pepe Le Pew is played up as gross even in the cartoons from the 40s. He’s a joke at the expense of French male stereotypes. He literally stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Yeah, and don't even get started on Speedy Gonzales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 15 minutes ago, ort said: Yeah, and don't even get started on Speedy Gonzales. My wife actually brought up Speedy Gonzales in regards to things she doesn't understand people being upset about. She asked "Am I a bad Mexican for liking him?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 3 hours ago, sblfilms said: Pepe Le Pew is played up as gross even in the cartoons from the 40s. He’s a joke at the expense of French male stereotypes. He literally stinks. This is very accurate. While it's a concerning character, I always watched him thinking: "this is what not to do" but maybe that was just me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 50 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: This is very accurate. While it's a concerning character, I always watched him thinking: "this is what not to do" but maybe that was just me? I can still see the objection to it on the basis that it plays the sexual harassment for laughs even if the laughs are at the expense of the harasser. But it feels off to suggest that Le Pew is meant to be a positive example to boys, even within his original time and context. But also not a fight I’d feel particularly compelled to fight *shrug* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 2 hours ago, sblfilms said: My wife actually brought up Speedy Gonzales in regards to things she doesn't understand people being upset about. She asked "Am I a bad Mexican for liking him?" Speedy is actually a very popular character in Mexico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 minute ago, marioandsonic said: Speedy is actually a very popular character in Mexico. I definitely see that in my extended fam. I guess not my place to tell them how to feel about it even if it’s a little cringey to hear white dudes voice an ethnic character in a super stereotypical way 😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 For a lot of folks they saw themselves in speedy. It less about offense and more appropriation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 12 hours ago, sblfilms said: I definitely see that in my extended fam. I guess not my place to tell them how to feel about it even if it’s a little cringey to hear white dudes voice an ethnic character in a super stereotypical way 😬 The most offensive thing about Speedy is his broken English and accent. From what I understand, when the shorts got dubbed into Spanish, that trait wasn't carried over. Bottom line is, I'm fine with them putting this disclaimers in front of old cartoons, but I think outright banning the cartoons is a step too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 I always thought dr Seuss was liberal trash for preaching environmentalism to children. Can we liberals go after beavis & butthead just to see Christian conservative moms go ape shit over trying to protect them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Did speedy say anything other than "beep beep"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Did speedy say anything other than "beep beep"? That's what the Roadrunner said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 44 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Did speedy say anything other than "beep beep"? Bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 I think it was more the other mice like Slow Poke Rodriguez who were the really negative stereotypes. Speedy was always played as a super-competent badass. It's still a show written by white people, and voice acted by white people about a bunch of poor Mexican stereotypes played for laughs and turned all the way up to 11. I also want to add that while I recognize all of these as super problematic, they still make me laugh and I still have a special place in my heart for all these goofy ass, racist violent cartoons I grew up on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Keyser_Soze said: That's what the Roadrunner said. 24 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said: Bro. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 I'm glad Mexicans are trying to appropriate Speedy Gonzalez but I always felt he was racist even when I was a kid. Yeah, he was cool, but like, just look at the character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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