Spork3245 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, BloodyHell said: Yeah, I apologize. I took it as dripping in sarcasm. Well, the gun part was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Spork3245 said: And if Trump refutes the validity of the election results? Oh, it goes to congress to resolve it? Well, then! It really doesn't matter what Trump does, if he can't get 270 EVs hes done Jan. 20th no matter what, and congress only gets a say if its tied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, PaladinSolo said: It really doesn't matter what Trump does, if he can't get 270 EVs hes done Jan. 20th no matter what, and congress only gets a say if its tied. Scotus though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, Spork3245 said: Well, the gun part was To be fair, I don’t expect to ever be attacked by a human. But bears are a real possibility. Mountain lion as well. Though less so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, marioandsonic said: Scotus though SCOTUS can't do anything either, states certify their elections once thats done thats it. SCOTUS can only get involved in stopping or allowing vote counting to continue, they can't award EVs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Along with the map predictions, we also need to guess on the Senate result (overall number) as well as who wins the House. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, BloodyHell said: and most here have been great people, a few never let up. And I had nothing to do with their little pal getting banned, but apparently I get the blame. There are great people here on both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, PaladinSolo said: SCOTUS can't do anything either, states certify their elections once thats done thats it. Lol sweet summer child. SCOTUS can decide what votes count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: It really doesn't matter what Trump does, if he can't get 270 EVs hes done Jan. 20th no matter what, and congress only gets a say if its tied. Congress certifies the EC votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: Congress certifies the EC votes. Right but that doesn't mean they can change them, lol. You guys need to take a xanax and relax, any attempt to stay in power without 270 votes is the end of the US and its all irrelevant. His only hope is its close enough to SCOTUS can stop voting, none of this other shit you guys go on about makes any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: SCOTUS can't do anything either, states certify their elections once thats done thats it. SCOTUS can only get involved in stopping or allowing vote counting to continue, they can't award EVs. --Trump declares the election results fraudulent and invalid --SCOTUS rules 5-4 that the president can declare the election results invalid if the Senate votes so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, marioandsonic said: --Trump declares the election results fraudulent and invalid --SCOTUS rules 5-4 that the president can declare the election results invalid if the Senate votes so He still didn't receive 270 EVs and is done Jan 20th, the president must be elected, so if no winner emerges speaker becomes president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, PaladinSolo said: Right but that doesn't mean they can change them, lol. It gives time to refute them, delegitimize them, and call them into question. Trump’s game-plan is likely to prevent a legally unambiguous win for Biden, call into question the election’s legitimacy, prevent the formation of a consensus as to whether there is any election outcome at all, and potentially seize onto that uncertainty to hold onto power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 So when legislatures send one slate of electors and the official count sends another, who resolves the dispute? Strictly by the constitution it's congress, but uh...the history of the supreme court, but recent history and from inception, is such that they create their own jurisdiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: It gives time to refute them, delegitimize them, and call them into question. Trump’s game-plan is likely to prevent a legally unambiguous win for Biden, call into question the election’s legitimacy, prevent the formation of a consensus as to whether there is any election outcome at all, and potentially seize onto that uncertainty to hold onto power. I'm straight up telling you none of that matters, its extremely clear that if a winner doesn't emerge the presidents term ends Jan. 20th. Everything you guys are coming up with ends this country full stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chollowa Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Emperor Diocletian II said: Seriously, guys - if you have the time, volunteer for a shift at either the MN or PA phonebanks that I posted earlier! Do you just use your cell phone to make the calls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: He still didn't receive 270 EVs and is done Jan 20th, the president must be elected, so if no winner emerges speaker becomes president. Man, its simple. Trump Is winning on election day because mail in hasnt all been received. SCOTUS decides millions of ballots not in by election day don’t count. Also, I believe some governors think they should be able to give their electors to whoever they want. Theres a lot of possibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, BloodyHell said: Man, its simple. Trymp. Is winning on election day because mail in hasnt all been received. SCOTUS decides millions of ballots not in by election day. Also, I believe some governors think they should be able to give their electors to whoever they want. Theres a lot of possibilities. Yes and all of the possibilities end extremely badly for all involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 The problem I keep running into when I search for things to calm my concerns is that mostly everything seems to be unwritten norms and/or precedents. Show me I’m wrong. Please, I want actual laws and safeguards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: He still didn't receive 270 EVs and is done Jan 20th, the president must be elected, so if no winner emerges speaker becomes president. SCOTUS rules 5-4 that the incumbent only needs 239 EVs to win! ...okay, I'm exaggerating and going into doomsday porn here. In all seriousness, I just have no faith, no fight, no hope, no...anything after how this year has gone. What evidence do I have that Trump, the GOP, the SCOTUS, and their allies won't try any sort of fuckery they can to maintain power if Biden wins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 This board, man Fight the good fight @PaladinSolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: The problem I keep running into when I search for things to calm my concerns is that mostly everything seems to be unwritten norms and/or precedents. Show me I’m wrong. Please, I want actual laws and safeguards. The Civil War is all i can think of, where Lincoln's election cause the south to secede not what you're looking for obviously, but I don't think the country survives it if they do something that obvious to grab power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chollowa said: Do you just use your cell phone to make the calls? Correct! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chollowa Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, Emperor Diocletian II said: Correct! Cool. I have work today, but I'll make some time over the weekend to volunteer. Thank you for the heads up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: If nothing else, there’s something scary about seeing so much certainty about Trump’s demise just before the election. I mean, the posters at 538 are close to popping the champagne already; if Trump wins their heads are going to collectively explode and Nate’s sight is going to crash. I can’t help but worry the weird dynamics of an election happening in a pandemic aren’t overstating Democrats’ chances through the early voting numbers. To be fair, there are also a decent number of us (myself included) that are already sizing up the noose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chollowa Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 45 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: San Diego Registrar of Voters says they have received my ballot (and it will be counted!) I just checked and mine was received and counted as well. I dropped it off to the County Assessor's office on Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: I'm straight up telling you none of that matters, its extremely clear that if a winner doesn't emerge the presidents term ends Jan. 20th. Everything you guys are coming up with ends this country full stop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, marioandsonic said: --Trump declares the election results fraudulent and invalid --SCOTUS rules 5-4 that the president can declare the election results invalid if the Senate votes so 6-3* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 We've only been a true multiracial democracy for about sixty years so I'm not real high on institutions, stacked by the way with party hacks, to save us Tens of thousands of votes, minimum, will be thrown out and not counted, similar to what happened in bush v gore, because of some last minute Calvinball by the conservative judiciary. Between this in a few states and a few other things can toss the election to trump. This isn't controversial, it's the openly stated plan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 40 minutes ago, Joe said: You're like the assholes from The Weather Man lol. Do you mean The Anchorman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: The Civil War is all i can think of, where Lincoln's election cause the south to secede not what you're looking for obviously, but I don't think the country survives it if they do something that obvious to grab power. Hey, I don’t think the country survives it either should it happen The problem is, I’m listening to what the orange man and is cheeto sucking sycophants have been screaming for the past 6+ months. He’s been trying to delegitimize the election results since like April when his approval ratings began plunging. I don’t see him leaving willingly, and there just doesn’t seem to be a hell of a lot of actual safeguards in place, which is worrisome. I do not see a path, outside of a landslide Biden victory, that Trump doesn’t at least attempt to contest the election results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: Hey, I don’t think the country survives it either should it happen The problem is, I’m listening to what the orange man and is cheeto sucking sycophants have been screaming for the past 6+ months. He’s been trying to delegitimize the election results since like April when his approval ratings began plunging. I don’t see him leaving willingly, and there just doesn’t seem to be a hell of a lot of actual safeguards in place, which is worrisome. I do not see a path, outside of a landslide Biden victory, that Trump doesn’t at least attempt to contest the election results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: Hey, I don’t think the country survives it either should it happen The problem is, I’m listening to what the orange man and is cheeto sucking sycophants have been screaming for the past 6+ months. He’s been trying to delegitimize the election results since like April when his approval ratings began plunging. I don’t see him leaving willingly, and there just doesn’t seem to be a hell of a lot of actual safeguards in place, which is worrisome. I do not see a path, outside of a landslide Biden victory, that Trump doesn’t at least attempt to contest the election results. @PaladinSolo Just so we’re clear, btw, my argument isn’t that what I’ve posted is 100% going to happen - it’s that having the concern is not unfounded, nor is it “bizarre” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Jason said: Looking over this I won't be shocked if they just stop counting ballots at midnight. It's unlikely, I think, but I won't be mouth agape surprised if it happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 SCOTUS rules the correct way and people are still going with the crazy talk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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