Emblazon Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: Han went back to what was familiar, what he was good at. Leia kept fighting for what she believed in. When she saw a new threat her goal was to make sure it did not rise to Glalactic Empire levels of being able to oppress the Republic. Luke was never a recluse as a youth. He had friends, and was itching to go out into the galaxy. He became a recluse as an old disalussioned, regretful old man. Even if looked at the way you do that’s still not a retcon. Literally everything was out of character for the three leads. Maybe if Episodes V and IV never happened... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Just now, Emblazon said: Literally everything was out of character for the three leads. Maybe if Episodes V and IV never happened... You can't claim they were out of character. The version of those characters we saw in the OT films are actually your HEAD CANON, and not the REAL characters which only JJ and Rian could possibly know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Emblazon said: Literally everything was out of character for the three leads. Maybe if Episodes V and IV never happened... If Episode VII was took place weeks after Episode VI, maybe. I think the issue is they didn’t match your preconceived expectations of the type of people they’d become decades later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 So who wants to argue about Asian main characters in Star Wars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurdyb1 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Looks good as hell to me. Daisy is bae material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Emblazon said: It put the characters from the OT in the center of the story, and made them 100% irrelevant. Then it took everything they became and grew into over the three movies and put it all back to square one. Han went back to where he was when we met him, Leia went back to the beginning of her journey, and Luke went back to being a recluse with no friends. The new trilogy literally wiped out all character progression from the OT. It was like Mass Effect 2 all over again. Which is one of my most hated games of all time. That is not an example of retconning. Most of Rogue One is, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Looks like a Star War Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 At this rate the D1P Star Wars debate is going to end up with more sequels than the actual movies 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 It's only out of character if you literally ignore everything that goes on in Episodes VII and VIII. The overall arc of the films - which is painfully and explicitly stated - is to move past failure and grandeur. Whether it's family loss (Han and Leia), the loss of your dream (Luke), the loss of your moral compass (Finn), or your family legacy (Rey and Kylo), don't let what has happened dictate what can or should happen: always move forward. It would be boring as fuck if the characters didn't have to learn that; otherwise just make the films 2 hours of space battles and lightsaber duels and be done with it, because you have literally no character plot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 17 hours ago, Chris- said: Sorry you didn't get this movie: The overhead projector is my favorite part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 11 hours ago, Emblazon said: Literally everything was out of character for the three leads. Maybe if Episodes V and IV never happened... 30 years have passed between Episode 6 and Episode 7, that's a lifetime and no one could possibly guess where these characters could or would end up. Anyone can become anything else within 30 years. You may not like where the writers/directors have chosen for these characters to end up in Episode 7 (and then 8), but it doesn't retcon anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Pickle Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 12 hours ago, Emblazon said: Did it make the series worse? I haven't played anything past 3. Its just a terrible game. I don't remember people hating on ME2 though. I have fond memories of romancing Jack and the lovable Mordin. I don't even remember who was in ME3. I just hated that they dumbed down the RPG elements in ME2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Captain Pickle said: I just hated that they dumbed down the RPG elements in ME2. Which were already SIGNIFICANTLY "dumbed down" from ME1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Pickle Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Which were already SIGNIFICANTLY "dumbed down" from ME1. huh? That's what I said. My hate on ME2 was the dumbing down. oh are you saying ME1 was rpglite already. Well sure, but I liked it just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Captain Pickle said: huh? That's what I said. My hate on ME2 was the dumbing down. oh are you saying ME1 was rpglite already. Well sure, but I liked it just fine. Oh right - that IS what you said. Sorry, I completely misinterpreted it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Which were already SIGNIFICANTLY "dumbed down" from ME1. And then they dumbed down the weapons. It went from energy weapons that overheat to guns that need ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, Captain Pickle said: Its just a terrible game. I don't remember people hating on ME2 though. I have fond memories of romancing Jack and the lovable Mordin. I don't even remember who was in ME3. I just hated that they dumbed down the RPG elements in ME2. I think Emblazon is saying that ME 2 retconned ME 1 by resetting the character at the beginning. It doesn't retcon anything, and while I prefer ME 1 and ME 3 (sans last 15 minutes) to ME 2, all are fantastic games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Pickle Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 38 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Oh right - that IS what you said. Sorry, I completely misinterpreted it! well, I was all over the place. I thought this misinterpretation could happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Pickle Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 35 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: I think Emblazon is saying that ME 2 retconned ME 1 by resetting the character at the beginning. It doesn't retcon anything, and while I prefer ME 1 and ME 3 (sans last 15 minutes) to ME 2, all are fantastic games. I agree wholeheartedly. Also, gooooooo STAR WARS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Captain Pickle said: Its just a terrible game. I don't remember people hating on ME2 though. I have fond memories of romancing Jack and the lovable Mordin. I don't even remember who was in ME3. I just hated that they dumbed down the RPG elements in ME2. "People are unhappy that inventory items don't stack? Let's just get rid of the inventory!" "People are unhappy that most of the planets you can take the MAKO down to are identical boring blobs? Let's just get rid of the MAKO instead of doing fewer but more interesting planets!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Pickle Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Jason said: "People are unhappy that inventory items don't stack? Let's just get rid of the inventory!" "People are unhappy that most of the planets you can take the MAKO down to are identical boring blobs? Let's just get rid of the MAKO instead of doing fewer but more interesting planets!" Oh Gawd, you're giving me ptsd of the rage I had over the bullshit "streamlining" changes. Mako boring? ok, just spin around red and blue balls shooting probes at it! FIXXXED! How was that better! HOW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, Captain Pickle said: Oh Gawd, you're giving me ptsd of the rage I had over the bullshit "streamlining" changes. Mako boring? ok, just spin around red and blue balls shooting probes at it! FIXXXED! How was that better! HOW! Honestly, the only 100% clear improvement in ME2 was the squad handling mechanics. Everything else felt like a regression. Including the weird, unexplained in-universe technological regression of guns going from not requiring ammo to requiring ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 50 minutes ago, Jason said: Honestly, the only 100% clear improvement in ME2 was the squad handling mechanics. Everything else felt like a regression. While the game lost a bunch, I'd say the combat loop was better in ME2 (compared to 1) by a fair margin. A charge-based Vanguard was super fun. 50 minutes ago, Jason said: Including the weird, unexplained in-universe technological regression of guns going from not requiring ammo to requiring ammo. You weren't using "ammo" you were using replaceable "heat sinks" so that the gun cooled down instantly. Dumb explanation? Yes. Unexplained? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Pickle Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, legend said: While the game lost a bunch, I'd say the combat loop was better in ME2 (compared to 1) by a fair margin. A charge-based Vanguard was super fun. True Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, legend said: While the game lost a bunch, I'd say the combat loop was better in ME2 (compared to 1) by a fair margin. A charge-based Vanguard was super fun. You weren't using "ammo" you were using replaceable "heat sinks" so that the gun cooled down instantly. Dumb explanation? Yes. Unexplained? No. I had a pistol in ME1 Incould rapid fire endlessly without it overheating. It was a huge technological regression going to heat sinks. And it made no sense the entire galaxy would retrofit every gun to use them in two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: I had a pistol in ME1 Incould rapid fire endlessly without it overheating. It was a huge technological regression going to heat sinks. And it made no sense the entire galaxy would retrofit every gun to use them in two years. First, that doesn't really address my comment. I was clarifying that there was not a technological regression to use ammo, because they didn't introduce ammo and that the change we saw wasn't unexplained. Ammo was still effectively infinite with the primary bottle neck regarding heat dispersion. The heatsinks in ME2 were still contextualized around addressing the heat dispersion issue, not ammo. Second, you're conflating details of gameplay mechanics with the universe world building. Third, I already said it was dumb, just not unexplained! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 On 3/27/2019 at 3:56 PM, legend said: Reminds me of the alien from Explorers Looks like Mac's grandma. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 On 3/27/2019 at 9:37 PM, Emblazon said: It put the characters from the OT in the center of the story, and made them 100% irrelevant. Then it took everything they became and grew into over the three movies and put it all back to square one. Han went back to where he was when we met him, Leia went back to the beginning of her journey, and Luke went back to being a recluse with no friends. The new trilogy literally wiped out all character progression from the OT. It was like Mass Effect 2 all over again. Which is one of my most hated games of all time. Luke was never a recluse with no friends in the OT. He wanted to follow his friends to the Empires flight academy at the beginning of the OT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 On 3/27/2019 at 9:37 PM, Emblazon said: It put the characters from the OT in the center of the story, and made them 100% irrelevant. Then it took everything they became and grew into over the three movies and put it all back to square one. Han went back to where he was when we met him, Leia went back to the beginning of her journey, and Luke went back to being a recluse with no friends. The new trilogy literally wiped out all character progression from the OT. It was like Mass Effect 2 all over again. Which is one of my most hated games of all time. So, you hate the very best ME game? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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