What should the new D1P "rules of engagement" with Twitter be?

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

With one of the most loathsome, odious people on this planet who I'd gladly torture to death with my bare hands about to take control of Twitter, the time has arrived for a discussion as to what the "rules of engagement" should be with that particular social media platform going forward, most notably in regard to its utility as a source of news information.

 

Personally, my preference would be to prohibit its use entirely on D1P, but obviously that's going to be difficult if not impossible in the near term.  As a result, I'm looking for ideas as to what should be the appropriate use of Twitter on this site.  My initial ideas are as follows:

 

1. Tweets that contain links to an actual news story will be prohibited, but rather the link to the news story itself should be posted instead.

2. Tweets that are one-off jokes/dunks/opinions, etc. will be prohibited.

3. Tweets that are one-off news items such as a picture or singular piece of information that's not necessarily "breaking news" will be prohibited.

4. Tweets that represent actually breaking news stories that do not yet have an actual associated news article will be permitted.

5. Tweets that represent substantive multipart informational/analytical content will be permitted.

 

Feel free to provide your own input as to how this site -- and specifically this board -- should approach Twitter going forward, bearing in mind that my overall objective is to reduce our overall engagement with Twitter as much as possible.  Naturally, I reserve the privilege of completely prohibiting ANY engagement with Twitter as I see fit

 

[Guest]

That sounds a whole lot like actual moderation

[Comet]

I don’t have a horse in this race but I feel like #4 and #5 is just going to be work for you to validate. 

[Uaarkson]

Ban it entirely 

[thewhyteboar]

Eh just keep it the same. But when Trump is allowed to tweet again make it bannable to post his tweets.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

The means tested neoliberal state coming to a niche message board near you

[CayceG]

#4 and #5 are obvious inclusions. 

 

However, #2 and #3 could range from actual conflict reporting updates (as we see often in the Russian invasion of Ukraine thread) all the way to "look at what this dumb motherfucker said." Parsing each should be easy, so there shouldn't be a blanket ban here. 

 

I'm also pro-dunks. Being exposed to all the horrible news items on a day to day basis means that there needs to be some levity. And in the interest of giving credit where credit is due, I think it's worth allowing the reposting of good jokes instead of wanting to add levity to a thread and stealing the joke through scrubbing the original source. 

 

 

Here's a great example of #2 and #3 at work together:

 

 

 

 

All said, I'm fine with people extracting articles and posting them instead of tweets. To add to that, I wish people would use paywall bypasses. The rest of these proposed guidelines for usage of Twitter would be a net negative for the forum. 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

The means tested neoliberal state coming to a niche message board near you

 

My technocratic nature is shining through!

[Bacon]

lol

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

7 minutes ago, CayceG said:

And in the interest of giving credit where credit is due, I think it's worth allowing the reposting of good jokes instead of wanting to add levity to a thread and stealing the joke through scrubbing the original source. 

Ha ha who would do that

[CayceG]

Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Ha ha who would do that

 

Literally me. I would. 

[AbsolutSurgen]

20 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

1. Tweets that contain links to an actual news story will be prohibited, but rather the link to the news story itself should be posted instead.

Makes sense.

20 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

2. Tweets that are one-off jokes/dunks/opinions, etc. will be prohibited.

I think an exception should be made for any thread dedicated to NFL football.  Making fun of people in football is half of the fun.

20 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

3. Tweets that are one-off news items such as a picture or singular piece of information that's not necessarily "breaking news" will be prohibited.

 

I think that Tweets are very useful in communicating small updates that aren't conducive to a larger story.  For instance, Tweets from journalists with photos/small updates on what was happening on the ground were useful in understanding what was actually happening on the ground for numerous ongoing events this year (Ukraine, Canadian Truck Convoy, etc.)

 

20 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

4. Tweets that represent actually breaking news stories that do not yet have an actual associated news article will be permitted.

I don't understand how you would enforce this without very active moderation.

20 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

5. Tweets that represent substantive multipart informational/analytical content will be permitted.

Makes sense.

 

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I understand why you might want to do it.  I guess I will separate the man from the social media platform in my mind, so my preference would be to not limit what sources can be posted.   But in the end, you own the board, you can do whatever you want with it.

[SaysWho?]

29 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

1. Tweets that contain links to an actual news story will be prohibited, but rather the link to the news story itself should be posted instead.

2. Tweets that are one-off jokes/dunks/opinions, etc. will be prohibited.

3. Tweets that are one-off news items such as a picture or singular piece of information that's not necessarily "breaking news" will be prohibited.

4. Tweets that represent actually breaking news stories that do not yet have an actual associated news article will be permitted.

5. Tweets that represent substantive multipart informational/analytical content will be permitted.

 

Is this your slick way of banning Jason?

[Keyser_Soze]

How about lewd furry pictures? Not prohibited?

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

1 minute ago, CayceG said:

 

Literally me. I would. 

 

me vs the evidence that I’d do this

[ThreePi]

I'm just going to post Reddit links to Twitter links that have screenshots of Facebook posts.

[Bacon]

For real, I think these "rules" are dumb as fuck. Not that I post fuck all from twitter, but it is really dumb. Just ban it out right or don't change anything at all. The "this is ok but this and this isn't, oh but this could be important so I have to make an exception" is some dumb shit. At that point just actually moderate and delete the posts you don't want to see. That's what will end up happening when someone links a tweet they think is ok but you don't anyway. 

 

Either way, as someone who only uses twitter for porn, video game shit, and following twitch streamers, I could not care less about twitter dying. I will love watching people jump ship, and watch massive communities fall apart. Like, I wonder how much of an impact this will have on "cancel culture". Cuz like most of that shit really does come from twitter unless it is something actually massive. Like, I remember shit like Smash players being diddlers and a bunch of streamers met their end, like MethodJosh, from twitlongers. So many allegations against e-celebs would have almost never have seen the day if not for twitter. Sure, there would be youtube videos and reddit posts, but far less people are willing to make videos and reddit is kinda stuck in reddit. 

[Guest]

tbh, the handwringing over Musk buying Twitter is pretty silly to me. Who cares if the platform goes from being owned by a bunch of rich weirdos to a smaller bunch of rich weirdos?

[Bacon]

Just now, sblfilms said:

tbh, the handwringing over Musk buying Twitter is pretty silly to me. Who cares if the platform goes from being owned by a bunch of rich weirdos to a smaller bunch of rich weirdos?

@Commissar SFLUFAN

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

2 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

tbh, the handwringing over Musk buying Twitter is pretty silly to me. Who cares if the platform goes from being owned by a bunch of rich weirdos to a smaller bunch of rich weirdos?

Moderation will almost certainly change and for the worse

[Guest]

1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Moderation will almost certainly change and for the worse

My experience would suggest there isn’t a lot of moderation today. Illegal content is about the only thing that regularly gets nuked.

[mclumber1]

2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Moderation will almost certainly change and for the worse

I follow Musk on Twitter, and one of the things he's proposed doing it getting rid of the bot accounts that are used to spam actual users.  I think this is a good thing.  For popular accounts/tweets, it's hard to get a tweet in edgewise because there are so many bots spamming a tweet.  

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

5 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

My experience would suggest there isn’t a lot of moderation today. Illegal content is about the only thing that regularly gets nuked.

There’s a lot of conservatives who complain about being silenced from twitter and he is on record that twitter is not allowing “free speech” by silencing them (often for doing racism or targeted harassment or similarly odious things) so it’s easy to see those policies being reduced or eliminated at the altar of free speech

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

There’s a lot of conservatives who complain about being silenced from twitter and he is on record that twitter is not allowing “free speech” by silencing them (often for doing racism or targeted harassment or similarly odious things) so it’s easy to see those policies being reduced or eliminated at the altar of free speech

There are lots of people who complain about lots of things that don’t actually happen to them on these platforms!

[Jwheel86]

1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

1. Tweets that contain links to an actual news story will be prohibited, but rather the link to the news story itself should be posted instead.

 

Easy 

 

1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

2. Tweets that are one-off jokes/dunks/opinions, etc. will be prohibited.

 

Dunking must have news value or be from someone not a shithead with an actual point (Mike Duncan cool, Don jr no). 

 

1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

3. Tweets that are one-off news items such as a picture or singular piece of information that's not necessarily "breaking news" will be prohibited.

 

Direct URL the picture, copy paste the text.

 

1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

4. Tweets that represent actually breaking news stories that do not yet have an actual associated news article will be permitted.

 

Definitely keep.  

 

1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

5. Tweets that represent substantive multipart informational/analytical content will be permitted.

 

Keep. 

 

Keep it simple, don't post lazy tweets, don't post shitheads. 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

1 minute ago, Jwheel86 said:

Easy 

 

Dunking must have news value or be from someone not a shithead with an actual point (Mike Duncan cool, Don jr no). 

 

Direct URL the picture, copy paste the text.

 

Definitely keep.  

 

Keep. 

 

Keep it simple, don't post lazy tweets, don't post shitheads. 

 

See?  Someone who sees the value in my pretty easy-to-follow proposed solution!

[AbsolutSurgen]

Someone will have to do a training piece on how to direct link videos/pictures that have been uploaded to Twitter.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

4 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

There are lots of people who complain about lots of things that don’t actually happen to them on these platforms!

Musk makes $43 billion offer for Twitter to build 'arena for free speech'

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Billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk took aim at Twitter Inc with a $43 billion cash takeover offer on Thursday, with the Tesla CEO saying the social media company needs to be taken private to grow and...

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Musk, a self-described "free speech absolutist," has been critical of the social media platform and its policies, and recently ran a poll on Twitter asking users if they believed it adheres to the principle of free speech. More than 70% of the 2 million votes cast said "No".

 

After Twitter banned former President Donald Trump over concerns around incitement of violence following last year's U.S. Capitol attack by his supporters, Musk tweeted: "A lot of people are going to be super unhappy with West Coast high tech as the de facto arbiter of free speech."

 

[Jwheel86]

7 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

See?  Someone who sees the value in my pretty easy-to-follow proposed solution!

 

That said! I don't think the left/sane should bail on Twitter, ceding it to the right makes the left weaker without an alternative. 

[ort]

Just don't worry about it and let people post what they want? I dunno.

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Musk makes $43 billion offer for Twitter to build 'arena for free speech'

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Billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk took aim at Twitter Inc with a $43 billion cash takeover offer on Thursday, with the Tesla CEO saying the social media company needs to be taken private to grow and...

 

Let me introduce you to the concept of branding  
 

Where is all this moderation of speech? Ask anybody outside of your white straight guy experience about how Twitter moderation is going and you may be shocked to find out it is still mostly the Wild West.

 

Even for the blue check marks? Outside of illegal content or supporting illegal behavior, where is the moderation?

 

Anybody thinks Twitter is doing meaningful moderation probably believes The Onion was indeed banned from Twitter. 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

8 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said:

 

That said! I don't think the left/sane should bail on Twitter, ceding it to the right makes the left weaker without an alternative. 

 No one will leave the platform until they make a massively unpopular user experience decision you can mark my words on this

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

2 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

Let me introduce you to the concept of branding  
 

Where is all this moderation of speech? Ask anybody outside of your white straight guy experience about how Twitter moderation is going and you may be shocked to find out it is still mostly the Wild West.

 

Even for the blue check marks? Outside of illegal content or supporting illegal behavior, where is the moderation?

 

Anybody thinks Twitter is doing meaningful moderation probably believe The Onion was indeed banned from Twitter. 

I’m not saying it’s good now I never said that. I have said it can, and given his inclinations probably will, get worse. He’s all about “free speech” as conservatives see it not as it exists as on a platform. 
 

because he is a conservative 

[Chris-]

I'm just going to post whatever I want and trust that the value I bring to this community will outweigh any potential posting restriction. In other words, I'm calling your bluff!

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

I’m not saying it’s good now I never said that. I have said it can, and given his inclinations probably will, get worse. He’s all about “free speech” as conservatives see it not as it exists as on a platform. 
 

because he is a conservative 

“We are being censored!”, they scream from their social media feeds, and appearances on major news outlets, where they say all the things they want to say. This is a perfect example of how the right is sooooo much better at narrative building than the left.