stepee Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 hours ago, johnny said: these things can just go off without pulling a trigger and we give them to whoever wants one lol some people just walk around in public with them in some states lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternallDarkness Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 12/1/2021 at 1:41 PM, Keyser_Soze said: It came from the grassy knoll! or out of the ass of a gassy troll! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 ‘Rust’ Armorer Sues Ammo Supplier Over Live Rounds That Killed Cinematographer Halnya Hutchins DEADLINE.COM The police investigation into what really went down on the set of Rust in October 2021 when Alec Baldwin shot and killed cinematographer Halnya Hutchins is still ongoing, but today the armorer in t… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: ‘Rust’ Armorer Sues Ammo Supplier Over Live Rounds That Killed Cinematographer Halnya Hutchins DEADLINE.COM The police investigation into what really went down on the set of Rust in October 2021 when Alec Baldwin shot and killed cinematographer Halnya Hutchins is still ongoing, but today the armorer in t… You miss all the shots you don’t take, which I suppose is not the MOST tasteful comment in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Alec Baldwin ignored 'Rust' armorer's request to attend 'cross draw training' just days before the shooting, lawsuit says WWW.INSIDER.COM The "Rust" armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, has sued the film's ammo supplier, alleging the company mixed live ammunition and dummy rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Alec Baldwin argues he's not liable for Hutchins' death, in filing against producers WWW.NPR.ORG The arbitration demand provides the fullest accounting yet of the accidental shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins from Baldwin's perspective. Quote Lawyers for Alec Baldwin have filed an arbitration demand against the other producers of the film Rust, arguing that Baldwin's contract as a producer includes language that protects him from responsibility for any costs or claims against him. He also seeks coverage of his legal fees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Alec Baldwin: Rust film producers fined over fatal shooting on set WWW.BBC.COM A report criticises the makers of a film whose cinematographer was accidentally shot by Alec Baldwin. Quote The producers of a film whose cinematographer was accidentally shot dead on set by Alec Baldwin have been fined and strongly criticised by authorities for failing to follow safety guidelines. The makers of Rust showed "plain indifference to recognised hazards associated with use of firearms on set", according to the New Mexico Environment Department. The agency has issued the maximum $136,793 (£105,000) fine to Rust Movie Productions. New Mexico Environment Department cabinet secretary James Kenney said: "There were several management failures and more than sufficient evidence to suggest that if standard industry practices were followed, the fatal shooting of Halyna Hutchins and the serious injury to Joel Sousa would not have occurred. "Through our investigation, we determined that Rust Productions' failures were both serious and wilful." He added: "The bottom line here is that it was the employers' obligation to follow national standards, and that did not happen on the set of Rust. "While this concludes our OSHA [Occupational Safety and Health Administration] investigation into this matter, I understand law enforcement is continuing its criminal investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Was coming to post this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Alec Baldwin Sues ‘Rust’ Crew For Negligence; Actor Wants “To Clear His Name” After Fatal Set Shooting, Says Incident Cost Him Roles DEADLINE.COM Alec Baldwin has made his own legal move as the Santa Fe DA prepares to make her intentions known over potential criminal action in the set shooting. Oh dear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Damn. He looks like he has aged 10 to 15 years from the first picture in this thread, just over a year ago, to the one in the post above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 My brother in law that worked as a police officer all the way up to police chief in the Santa Fe area got into town today and I asked him if he’s heard anything about the case. Apparently he was being recruited by the state to work for the AG’s office as a special investigator, but got spooked by some of the politics involved as he has some business interests he was concerned might be harmed if he didn’t produce a particular result. But he did find out a lot about what is going on behind the scenes and his belief is the end result will be a plea deal for Baldwin, the Armorer, the AD, and one other person for misdemeanor reckless handling of a firearm (or something like that) as they want to be able to say they applied the law properly, but also not rock the boat with the film industry by pursuing felony charges due to an on set accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 On 11/20/2022 at 7:35 PM, sblfilms said: But he did find out a lot about what is going on behind the scenes and his belief is the end result will be a plea deal for Baldwin, the Armorer, the AD, and one other person for misdemeanor reckless handling of a firearm (or something like that) as they want to be able to say they applied the law properly, but also not rock the boat with the film industry by pursuing felony charges due to an on set accident. Sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Alec Baldwin to be charged with involuntary manslaughter in fatal ‘Rust’ shooting WWW.TODAY.COM The film's armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, will also face involuntary manslaughter charges. Quote New Mexico First Judicial District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies announced Jan. 19 Baldwin and the film's armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, will be charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter. “After a thorough review of the evidence and the laws of the state of New Mexico, I have determined that there is sufficient evidence to file criminal charges against Alec Baldwin and other members of the ‘Rust’ film crew,” Carmack-Altwies said. “On my watch, no one is above the law, and everyone deserves justice.” Other information is limited right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 I mentioned my brother in law was being asked to possibly be the lead investigator for the DA on this, but he was not super thrilled about the political factions developing around it. There were two pretty distinct groups forming, the “let’s show this Hollywood lib what’s what”, and the “we need to protect the film industry” side. I guess we know which side won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 14 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I mentioned my brother in law was being asked to possibly be the lead investigator for the DA on this, but he was not super thrilled about the political factions developing around it. There were two pretty distinct groups forming, the “let’s show this Hollywood lib what’s what”, and the “we need to protect the film industry” side. I guess we know which side won Sounds about right... I'm really surprised that he got charged. I doubt he will be convicted but either way, New Mexico's film and TV productions are about to drop big time. I know the armorer was charged as well, was the 1st AD charged? This seems pretty political... they aren't even going to issue arrest warrants. EDIT: So the 1st AD wasn't charged??? Holy shit... from what it sounds like it was HIS fault! He was the one that broke protocol. This sound spolitical as hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 15 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I mentioned my brother in law was being asked to possibly be the lead investigator for the DA on this, but he was not super thrilled about the political factions developing around it. There were two pretty distinct groups forming, the “let’s show this Hollywood lib what’s what”, and the “we need to protect the film industry” side. I guess we know which side won I replied to this in the other thread, but I agree this seems very political. I can't seem him being personally responsible... as a producer? Yes. I doubt he's going to get convicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: I replied to this in the other thread, but I agree this seems very political. I can't seem him being personally responsible... as a producer? Yes. I doubt he's going to get convicted. I think what my BIL suggested previously is the end result, a plea down to a misdemeanor reckless handling of a firearm or something similar. But I do think after reading so many takes from people in the industry, it’s way past time to fundamentally change weapons handling on sets. The idea that you would *ever* take the word of another person that a firearm isn’t loaded is the antithesis of every basic firearm training you’ll ever do. And literally any situation in which you need to point a firearm at another person on set, it should be a non-functional replica. Zero reason to ever have a person shot and killed on a movie set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 What a roller coaster ride with this guy. Huge movie star, then took a fall from grace with that voicemail, then had a nice rebound with 30 Rock and beyond, now charged with killing someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, Derek said: What a roller coaster ride with this guy. Huge movie star, then took a fall from grace with that voicemail, then had a nice rebound with 30 Rock and beyond, now charged with killing someone. seems like a good dude 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 26 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I think what my BIL suggested previously is the end result, a plea down to a misdemeanor reckless handling of a firearm or something similar. But I do think after reading so many takes from people in the industry, it’s way past time to fundamentally change weapons handling on sets. The idea that you would *ever* take the word of another person that a firearm isn’t loaded is the antithesis of every basic firearm training you’ll ever do. And literally any situation in which you need to point a firearm at another person on set, it should be a non-functional replica. Zero reason to ever have a person shot and killed on a movie set. It sounds like there was definitely a breakdown in protocol on this set... I don't think you want to make actors responsible for checking weapons though for a whole HOST of reasons. This set sounds like a shit show and Baldwin's liability to me seems to come with his role as a producer not as an actor. If he was being charged as a producer, I could understand and if that's the case, he and a bunch of other producers and the director should be charged too. The guy who actually broke set protocol and handed Baldwin the gun and told him it was a cold gun plead out and is probably going to testify against the production Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Biggie said: seems like a good dude Yeah. I've always liked him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: I don't think you want to make actors responsible for checking weapons though for a whole HOST of reasons. The person holding the firearm is always responsible for it, that’s legit the first thing you’ll learn in a firearm safety course. You aren’t even supposed to to trust yourself that a gun isn’t loaded, hence not pointing it at another person ever unless your intent is to shoot them. Which is why it makes most sense to just use replica firearms on movie sets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, sblfilms said: The person holding the firearm is always responsible for it, that’s legit the first thing you’ll learn in a firearm safety course. You aren’t even supposed to to trust yourself that a gun isn’t loaded, hence not pointing it at another person ever unless your intent is to shoot them. Yes but it was supposed to be a prop gun. If you make actors responisible for firearm safety on set then you are making them liable as well or at least increasing their exposure to liability and nobody wants that. Actors should not be required to check weapons on set when their are professionals there whose SOLE JOB is to do that. You introduce that responsibilty to actors on set and I guarantee you will have MORE problems on set, not less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 14 minutes ago, Derek said: Yeah. I've always liked him. I thought Biggie was being sarcastic... Baldwin is a lot of things, but I don't think "good dude" is one of them. He supposedly has a TERRIBLE temper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Just now, skillzdadirecta said: Yes but it was supposed to be a prop gun. If you make actors responisible for firearm safety on set then you are making them liable as well or at least increasing their exposure to liability and nobody wants that. Actors should not be required to check weapons on set when their are professionals there whose SOLE JOB is to do that. You introduce that responsibilty to actors on set and I guarantee you will have MORE problems on set, not less. There is nothing in the reporting that suggests he didn’t know it was a real gun, he just believed it wasn’t loaded because the. You don’t have to be a professional to know to treat every gun as if it were loaded. Baldwin didn’t, and a person is dead because he didn’t treat a gun with the care you should. Don’t have real guns on movie sets, problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 22 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: I thought Biggie was being sarcastic... Baldwin is a lot of things, but I don't think "good dude" is one of them. He supposedly has a TERRIBLE temper. He is charismatic, but likely a horrible person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Don’t have real guns on movie sets, problem solved. I don't disagree with this. No need for real guns to ever be on set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 4 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said: I don't disagree with this. No need for real guns to ever be on set. Unless... you know.... you want to... commit a crime... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberChef Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Armorer will get actual jail time w/ more than likely considerable post-incarceration supervision. Alec on the other hand will get a hefty fine, maybe just MAYBE a bit of probation but I doubt it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 15 hours ago, SoberChef said: Armorer will get actual jail time w/ more than likely considerable post-incarceration supervision. Alec on the other hand will get a hefty fine, maybe just MAYBE a bit of probation but I doubt it. Neither of them are getting jail time. The prosecutor has no idea how the bullets got on set and is basically saying it doesn't matter WHEN IT TOTALLY MATTERS. Defense attorneys are chomping at the bit to get on this. Hell this thing may not even got to trial. In my opinion this is a classic case of prosecutorial over charging. How in the hell are you going to charge Baldwin as a producer but not charge the other producers? And you cut a deal with the guy who actually broke procedure and gave him the gun without the armorer's knowledge and told Baldwin that it was a cold gun? All this is going to do is make productions not want to film in New Mexico because of over zealous Prosecutors looking to score points in the culture war. The Armorer will probably never work on a set again though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said: WHEN IT TOTALLY MATTERS It most certainly does not with regard to Baldwin. Per the state of New Mexico criminal code Quote Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection. Baldwin’s non-felony unlawful act is reckless handling of a firearm, which pointing it in the direction of other people and pulling the trigger of a firearm is a classic case of recklessness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Baldwin’s non-felony unlawful act is reckless handling of a firearm, which pointing it in the direction of other people and pulling the trigger of a firearm is a classic case of recklessness. Sure and what's unclear and what Defense attorneys are going to have a field day with is whether or not he KNEW it was an actual functioning gun and not a prop gun since he was you know, on a movie set. i don't know if he knew or not... that's the case his Attorneys are going to make I'm sure. We'll see if this is even going to make it to trial which I'm not sure if it will. A better use of the prosectors' time and what would have made more sense would be to charge Baldwin and the WHOLE producing team with reckless endangerment since it's pretty clear that set was unsafe and run recklessly. CHarging him as an actor who was relying on the expertise of others is... questionable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Sure and what's unclear and what Defense attorneys are going to have a field day with is whether or not he KNEW it was an actual functioning gun and not a prop gun since he was you know, on a movie set. i don't know if he knew or not... that's the case his Attorneys are going to make I'm sure. We'll see if this is even going to make it to trial which I'm not sure if it will. A better use of the prosectors' time and what would have made more sense would be to charge Baldwin and the WHOLE producing team with reckless endangerment since it's pretty clear that set was unsafe and run recklessly. CHarging him as an actor who was relying on the expertise of others is... questionable. I'll add to this that I don't understand how they'd prove that even if Baldwin knows the gun was real and even if he saw it was loaded, that he'd ever think there was real ammo and not blanks in there after specifically being told the gun was safe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: I'll add to this that I don't understand how they'd prove that even if Baldwin knows the gun was real and even if he saw it was loaded, that he'd ever think there was real ammo and not blanks in there after specifically being told the gun was safe. Exactly. And what's worse is the guy who broke procedure and gave him the gun when he wasn't supposed to and told him it was safe cut a deal and is a witness for the prosecution and is NOT being charged It's all for show anyway. No arrest warrants are going out and they just have to show up for their hearings and they can even do that remotely. This is all some prosecutors in New Mexico looking for national noteriety on what they think is an easy target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 19 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Sure and what's unclear and what Defense attorneys are going to have a field day with is whether or not he KNEW it was an actual functioning gun and not a prop gun since he was you know, on a movie set. i don't know if he knew or not... that's the case his Attorneys are going to make I'm sure. From his own mouth he said on ABC News that he never pulled the trigger, because his training told him never to point a gun at a person and pull the trigger. He knew it was a real gun, he didn’t think it was loaded, and he claims the gun fired when he pulled the hammer back and let go if it. He isn’t denying the facts that make it reckless handling of a firearm, he is just saying that movie sets are some special exception to the law because another reposible party within the framework of filmmaking told him something incorrect. The norms of movie sets don’t matter. 15 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: I'll add to this that I don't understand how they'd prove that even if Baldwin knows the gun was real and even if he saw it was loaded, that he'd ever think there was real ammo and not blanks in there after specifically being told the gun was safe. I don’t know how many more times I have to say that it is completely irrelevant to an involuntary manslaughter charge whether or not a third party said the gun was loaded. You aren’t even supposed to take your own word for it with regard to the idea that a firearm is “safe” to point in the direction of another person Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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