Kal-El814 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 If Baldwin was using a revolver and just practicing moves I am really struggling to understand how this could have happened. Wouldn’t the absolute safest thing to do be to ensure that there was literally nothing in the gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 I doubt this movie finishes getting made now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Kal-El814 said: If Baldwin was using a revolver and just practicing moves I am really struggling to understand how this could have happened. Wouldn’t the absolute safest thing to do be to ensure that there was literally nothing in the gun? Somebody fucked up point blank. There's no way two people checked that gun and mistook it for being empty. No way. Somebody is lying. Either way, Baldwin isn't at fault. He was handed a prop weapon and was told it was safe to use. His responsibility comes as a producer on the film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Alec Baldwin was pointing gun at camera when it went off, director says | Alec Baldwin | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM Joel Souza says actor was practising a scene at time of accidental shooting of Halyna Hutchins On 10/23/2021 at 8:50 AM, SuperSpreader said: This makes me think the shot was supposed to be him shooting at the camera and the cinematographer and director were of course on the other end of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Alec Baldwin Fatal Shooting Film’s First AD Was “Fired” From 2019 Movie Over Gun Going Off, ‘Freedom’s Path’ Producer Confirms DEADLINE.COM More details are emerging of the pivotal crew member on the set of the Alec Baldwin film That AD fucked up it seems. Quote Even though ADs are responsible for overall set safety, it is unclear why Halls was handling the weapon and not the armorer, as should be the case. Also, no visual check of the prop gun seemed to have been done. There was just no way they visually checked that gun. No way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said: There was just no way they visually checked that gun. No way. I could believe it. Once you do something many times complacency sets in. It was good all the times before, and maybe you lied a couple of times and it worked out and you lied this time and it didn't work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 8 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said: I could believe it. Once you do something many times complacency sets in. It was good all the times before, and maybe you lied a couple of times and it worked out and you lied this time and it didn't work out. A lot of truth to this in the way that humans let their guard down when doing dangerous things because it really never went that bad before. See: looking at your cell phone while driving 😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 8 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said: I could believe it. Once you do something many times complacency sets in. It was good all the times before, and maybe you lied a couple of times and it worked out and you lied this time and it didn't work out. I'd normally say yes, but there were already a few accidentally misfiring on set as per earlier reporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 11 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said: Alec Baldwin Fatal Shooting Film’s First AD Was “Fired” From 2019 Movie Over Gun Going Off, ‘Freedom’s Path’ Producer Confirms DEADLINE.COM More details are emerging of the pivotal crew member on the set of the Alec Baldwin film That AD fucked up it seems. There was just no way they visually checked that gun. No way. Just wanted to share this story since it had a little more insight into the AD's past... 'Rust' Assistant Director Told Actor to Do Unsafe Stunt: Former Coworkers WWW.INSIDER.COM Creed Bratton was hit in the eye after Dave Halls insisted a scene go forward over objections from the crew, two people who worked on Hulu's "Into The Dark" told Insider. All the talk about younger, less experienced staff may have all been FUD. It seems this one guy, that's been working as an assistant director on various projects since '96, has a history of pushing for unsafe stunts and being wildly negligent when it comes to ensuring safety on the set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: Just wanted to share this story since it had a little more insight into the AD's past... 'Rust' Assistant Director Told Actor to Do Unsafe Stunt: Former Coworkers WWW.INSIDER.COM Creed Bratton was hit in the eye after Dave Halls insisted a scene go forward over objections from the crew, two people who worked on Hulu's "Into The Dark" told Insider. All the talk about younger, less experienced staff may have all been FUD. It seems this one guy, that's been working as an assistant director on various projects since '96, has a history of pushing for unsafe stunts and being wildly negligent when it comes to ensuring safety on the set. The question is then If he has this kind of work history, why was he still getting hired? The answer? He's probably cheap and willing to work at a rate that most other 1st A.D.'s with his experience wouldn't want to work for. I dunno... people DO have a way of failing upward in this industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Yeah, that AD is going to prison. Just a question of how long he will get. The other question will be how much liability the individual producers are saddled with in the eventual civil suits by the DPs estate and the director. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 48 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: The question is then If he has this kind of work history, why was he still getting hired? The answer? He's probably cheap and willing to work at a rate that most other 1st A.D.'s with his experience wouldn't want to work for. I dunno... people DO have a way of failing upward in this industry. The price point is absolutely it, 100%. We see this in the construction industry constantly as well. Years back we lost a large project because the GC went bargain bin shopping to a contractor who has a notoriously horrible safety record and three months into the job two guys died falling into the elevator shaft due to insufficient OSHA railing. You get what you pay for and the 'getting' is always on some poor employee that had nothing to do with the stupid ass decision. It's depressing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 39 minutes ago, Bloodporne said: The price point is absolutely it, 100%. We see this in the construction industry constantly as well. Years back we lost a large project because the GC went bargain bin shopping to a contractor who has a notoriously horrible safety record and three months into the job two guys died falling into the elevator shaft due to insufficient OSHA railing. You get what you pay for and the 'getting' is always on some poor employee that had nothing to do with the stupid ass decision. It's depressing What happened to that contractor after that? Please tell me lawsuit and/or prison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 59 minutes ago, Brick said: What happened to that contractor after that? Please tell me lawsuit and/or prison. Lawsuit surely, nobody goes to prison. I'm not 100% sure though. Ironically, the project was a church named Redeemer. The general contractor involved were also the people who had the crane collapse in the middle of Manhattan some years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 The conspiracy theories regarding this tragedy I’m seeing from people on the right still upset about Baldwin’s SNL Trump character are absolutely disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Spork3245 said: The conspiracy theories regarding this tragedy I’m seeing from people on the right still upset about Baldwin’s SNL Trump character are absolutely disgusting. People need to cut these sources out of their online diet. I almost solely hear about them indirectly via this board! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 5 hours ago, Bloodporne said: The price point is absolutely it, 100%. We see this in the construction industry constantly as well. Years back we lost a large project because the GC went bargain bin shopping to a contractor who has a notoriously horrible safety record and three months into the job two guys died falling into the elevator shaft due to insufficient OSHA railing. You get what you pay for and the 'getting' is always on some poor employee that had nothing to do with the stupid ass decision. It's depressing This one ? Two ironworkers die after New York construction site fall | HeraldNet.com WWW.HERALDNET.COM NEW YORK — Two ironworkers died Tuesday morning after they fell from a fifth floor through an open elevator shaft at a church construction site where Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 2 hours ago, SimpleG said: This one ? Two ironworkers die after New York construction site fall | HeraldNet.com WWW.HERALDNET.COM NEW YORK — Two ironworkers died Tuesday morning after they fell from a fifth floor through an open elevator shaft at a church construction site where That'd be it. I've actually never read the news story before. This was one of the first big projects I was going to close at my job back then and then they went full 'buuuut there's a guy going out of business if he doesn't get this job so he'll drop his pants, sorry!'. This was the carpentry contract for us and carpentry is usually responsible for shit like OSHA railings around shaft openings etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 8 hours ago, sblfilms said: People need to cut these sources out of their online diet. I almost solely hear about them indirectly via this board! Nah, I like to know what idiocies lurk out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 I continue to see a lot of disgusting insane reactions to this from the right, and they seem to be getting louder and more vile... Make no mistake, the right is infested with a collection of the most hateful vile pieces of shit imaginable. They may not all belong in that category and most don't... but they are amongst their ranks and are way too accepted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Lolololol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 27 minutes ago, ort said: I continue to see a lot of disgusting insane reactions to this from the right, and they seem to be getting louder and more vile... Make no mistake, the right is infested with a collection of the most hateful vile pieces of shit imaginable. They may not all belong in that category and most don't... but they are amongst their ranks and are way too accepted. The more you interact with it, the more you’ll have it served to you. 4 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: Lolololol It is weird how quickly people forget what a terrible goon Baldwin has been for the last 20 years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 I haven't. I've always disliked Baldwin. He seems like a total piece of crap. I also thought his Trump impersonation was bad. All that said, I still think he's 10 times the person Trump Jr is. I'd have a hard time coming up with another person alive I have less respect for than Trump Jr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Alec Baldwin film tragedy: Actor fired live round, police say WWW.BBC.COM New Mexico authorities say it is too early to determine if arrests will be made or charges laid. Quote Alec Baldwin was handed a gun with a live round in it on a film set in New Mexico, the local sheriff has said. The actor accidentally shot dead cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded the film's director Joel Souza on Thursday. Authorities have recovered some 600 pieces of evidence related to the investigation, including three firearms and 500 rounds of ammunition. No arrests have been made or charges filed so far in the investigation. Speaking at a news conference on Wednesday, the Santa Fe County Sheriff, Adan Mendoza, made clear that the investigation was still in its early stages, and many more interviews still need to be done, including with Mr Baldwin, who he said is cooperating with authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 It seems to me an easy additional layer of safety is for the actors themselves to get gun safety training and be able to verify the status of the gun prior to using it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 57 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: Lolololol Amazing for him to not think for one second that maybe the party he should think about being decent towards is the family of the person that died. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Search warrant: "Rust" assistant director acknowledges failure to fully check Baldwin’s gun WWW.CNN.COM The assistant director on "Rust" who handed Alec Baldwin the gun that fired the fatal shot acknowledged to investigators that he did not check all the rounds loaded in the weapon prior to the lethal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, a detective wrote in a search warrant affidavit made public Wednesday. Quote The assistant director on "Rust" who handed Alec Baldwin the gun that fired the fatal shot acknowledged to investigators that he did not check all the rounds loaded in the weapon prior to the lethal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, a detective wrote in a search warrant affidavit made public Wednesday. Detective Alexandria Hancock described her interviews with first assistant director David Halls and armorer Hannah Reed-Gutierrez. “David advised when Hannah showed him the firearm before continuing rehearsal, he could only remember seeing three rounds. He advised he should have checked all of them but didn’t, and couldn’t recall if she spun the drum," the affidavit said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 2 hours ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: Lolololol Buddy, if those kinds of things upset you then have I got news for you about your father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 "Rust" armorer "mishandled" guns on previous film with Nicolas Cage, crew members say WWW.CNN.COM Two crew members tell CNN that Hannah Reed-Gutierrez, 24, who was the lead armorer on the set of "Rust," mishandled weapons on a previous film project. A real one-two punch of ineptitude by the AD and the armorer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 3 hours ago, stepee said: Amazing for him to not think for one second that maybe the party he should think about being decent towards is the family of the person that died. Seriously... nobody is defending Alec Baldwin. He's alive and can take care of himself. These pieces of shit are using this girl's death to settle scores with a fucking actor they don't like. An actor whose last concern is what Trump and his twisted followers think. Nobody should be surprised at all by this and Trump Jr. is in SORE need of an ass kicking. Like someone really needs to kick his fake tough guy ass. That said, someone still has to explain how that gun had a real bullet in it on a movie set. Prop master says he turned down job on 'Rust' because it was THEHILL.COM A veteran prop master on Tuesday said he turned down a job working on Alec Baldwin's film "Rust" after determining the job would... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 3 hours ago, sblfilms said: It seems to me an easy additional layer of safety is for the actors themselves to get gun safety training and be able to verify the status of the gun prior to using it. Honest question… is there any level of training that would allow an actor to distinguish between a dummy round (bullet “attached” to the cartridge but no powder to allow the bullet to fire) and a live round? Or the equivalent for a shotgun shell? I genuinely don’t know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Honest question… is there any level of training that would allow an actor to distinguish between a dummy round (bullet “attached” to the cartridge but no powder to allow the bullet to fire) and a live round? Or the equivalent for a shotgun shell? I genuinely don’t know. It's not the actor's responsibility to know nor should it be. They get some basic firearms safety training and that's it. I think it would be a lot to put that responsibility on them as well when you have trained professionals who's jobs it is to take care of these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 29 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Seriously... nobody is defending Alec Baldwin. He's alive and can take care of himself. These pieces of shit are using this girl's death to settle scores with a fucking actor they don't like. An actor whose last concern is what Trump and his twisted followers think. Nobody should be surprised at all by this and Trump Jr. is in SORE need of an ass kicking. Like someone really needs to kick his fake tough guy ass. That said, someone still has to explain how that gun had a real bullet in it on a movie set. Prop master says he turned down job on 'Rust' because it was THEHILL.COM A veteran prop master on Tuesday said he turned down a job working on Alec Baldwin's film "Rust" after determining the job would... TMZ reported that the gun was being used recreationally for target practice by some of the crew. Gun in Alec Baldwin Accident Was Also Used Off-Set, Recreationally WWW.TMZ.COM The gun was supposedly being used for target practice, with real bullets. I feel like you really shouldn't ever use real bullets in a fun that's also meant to be used on set by actors. 18 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Honest question… is there any level of training that would allow an actor to distinguish between a dummy round (bullet “attached” to the cartridge but no powder to allow the bullet to fire) and a live round? Or the equivalent for a shotgun shell? I genuinely don’t know. Only one bit of training needed. NEVER point a gun at people, even if you think the gun isn't loaded and even if other people tell you the gun isn't loaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Honest question… is there any level of training that would allow an actor to distinguish between a dummy round (bullet “attached” to the cartridge but no powder to allow the bullet to fire) and a live round? Or the equivalent for a shotgun shell? I genuinely don’t know. Dummies literally have BB gun balls inside that rattle around, so pretty easy to tell what is what. Part of what makes this so impressively bad. Pure laziness and ineptitude got this woman killed 8 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: It's not the actor's responsibility to know nor should it be. They get some basic firearms safety training and that's it. I think it would be a lot to put that responsibility on them as well when you have trained professionals who's jobs it is to take care of these things. Thete is no such thing as gun safety where the person holding the gun can’t distinguish between an actual live round, a blank, or a dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: TMZ reported that the gun was being used recreationally for target practice by some of the crew. Gun in Alec Baldwin Accident Was Also Used Off-Set, Recreationally WWW.TMZ.COM The gun was supposedly being used for target practice, with real bullets. I feel like you really shouldn't ever use real bullets in a fun that's also meant to be used on set by actors. Only one bit of training needed. NEVER point a gun at people, even if you think the gun isn't loaded and even if other people tell you the gun isn't loaded. I don’t believe we actually don’t know the circumstance that lead to the do and director to be down range of the barrel of the gun. Whether they walked into the line of fire, or Baldwin was being careless. I’m sure such details will be forthcoming, but it sounds like most of the cast and crew was outside so it may only be Baldwin, Hall, and Souza who know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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