Jason Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsida Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Remember, Republicans have only won the popular vote once in the last 30 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 What's interesting is that people think this shit is new... They've been doing this stuf for as long as we've HAD elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 I don't want to sound doom and gloom, but if Democrats lose the House in 2022 we will never have another free election ever again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said: What's interesting is that people think this shit is new... They've been doing this stuf for as long as we've HAD elections. 10 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: I don't want to sound doom and gloom, but if Democrats lose the House in 2022 we will never have another free election ever again. Not doing this to call whyteboar out, but since he mentioned it, I'd like skillz's opinion on this: I've been seeing this mindset pop up here, and I'd be lying if I weren't starting to feel that way since I'm more leaning toward this since they're so brazen about it. But I feel like people of color look at this as a continuation of policies that have occurred for centuries. How do you view these policies? Question posed to @sblfilms as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 31 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: I don't want to sound doom and gloom, but if Democrats lose the House in 2022 we will never have another free election ever again. The congress elected in 2024 will certify the results of the electoral college but yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 5 hours ago, SaysWho? said: Not doing this to call whyteboar out, but since he mentioned it, I'd like skillz's opinion on this: I've been seeing this mindset pop up here, and I'd be lying if I weren't starting to feel that way since I'm more leaning toward this since they're so brazen about it. But I feel like people of color look at this as a continuation of policies that have occurred for centuries. How do you view these policies? Question posed to @sblfilms as well. It's just what I said in the post you quoted... this is nothing new. Marginalizing the "wrong" kinds of voters is what this country has done since the right to vote was extended to people of color and women. This is just the latest, most public version of this but this goes back to 2013 when the Supreme Court basically gutted the voting rights act and gave the States the go ahead to do whatever the hell they wanted regarding voting. I worked on a project back then that pretty much predicted that stuff like this was going to happen after the Supreme Court did what it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 6 hours ago, thewhyteboar said: I don't want to sound doom and gloom, but if Democrats lose the House in 2022 we will never have another free election ever again. I feel the same way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: It's just what I said in the post you quoted... this is nothing new. Marginalizing the "wrong" kinds of voters is what this country has done since the right to vote was extended to people of color and women. This is just the latest, most public version of this but this goes back to 2013 when the Supreme Court basically gutted the voting rights act and gave the States the go ahead to do whatever the hell they wanted regarding voting. I worked on a project back then that pretty much predicted that stuff like this was going to happen after the Supreme Court did what it did. So for you, it’s not the death of democracy; it’s the same crap that people are finally noticing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 6 hours ago, thewhyteboar said: I don't want to sound doom and gloom, but if Democrats lose the House in 2022 we will never have another free election ever again. well you arent wrong. they will probably lose both and will never certify unless its for gop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: So for you, it’s not the death of democracy; it’s the same crap that people are finally noticing. Pretty much... it's much more brazen and out in the open than it has been in awhile, but not much different than what they've been doing for decades. This is the danger of people not knowing history... they used to make black people guess how many Jelly beans were in a jar and if they "guessed wrong" they weren't able to vote. All kinds of stupid shit like that. Republicans will argue that sense they aren't doing things like that, then it isn't voter discrimination. The same way they will argue that the only racism is people in white hoods calling black people n****r. I think the biggest difference nowadays is because of Gerrymandering, there is little political consequence for bat shit insane politicians these days especially on the state and local level. I DO think that the Republicans are running out of tricks and they are closer to fully embracing facism than they've ever been because they are finally saying the quiet part out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 It's been posted elsewhere that voter suppression laws don't seem to have as much of an impact as people might suspect, and people are correct in that these are nothing new. However, I think that at some point we'll hit critical mass. Like with a lot of things, i suspect it's difficult to appreciate that the camel's back is close to breaking until that last straw does the trick. I don't know that "we're doomed" and I suspect that some of these efforts are going to have an impact on Republican votes as well. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut I wouldn't bet my life on either one of those takes and I think there's an extent to which the whole affair is evidence that the state of American politics in general is pretty bad. We're not going to age out of the problem, we're not going to "demographics" our way out of this problem. It's really bad that a lot of these bad faith efforts aren't even being disguised as anything other than what they are. It's really bad that one party is essentially an opposition party whose main goals are the promotion of white supremacy and the consolidation of wealth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: It's been posted elsewhere that voter suppression laws don't seem to have as much of an impact as people might suspect, and people are correct in that these are nothing new. Might be worth examine why this is; it animates democratic voters and democratic aligned groups that have to put in the otherwise completely unnecessary work so that the people targeted can overcome these barriers in order to be able to vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Might be worth examine why this is; it animates democratic voters and democratic aligned groups that have to put in the otherwise completely unnecessary work so that the people targeted can overcome these barriers in order to be able to vote Yeah, which is why I am concerned about eventually reaching a point where either the effort isn't worth it or the control of counting renders the efforts pointless... or some combo platter I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Yeah, which is why I am concerned about eventually reaching a point where either the effort isn't worth it or the control of counting renders the efforts pointless... or some combo platter I suppose. That's kind of the thing, right? What does that breaking point look like? Nobody knows the answer until we're there. Then, once we're there, oh well hindsight is 20/20. That's why any efforts to restrict voting, even if all evidence says it most likely won't make much of a difference, should be taken seriously. Curb mail in voting, fuck with mail delivery, and restrict voting hours and early voting. Cool. Those are all being done. How about "cutting costs" by decreasing polling locations to one per city or town? Republicans already heading down that road? Cool. That's going to be awesome combined with fewer voting hours and restrictions on mail in and early voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 12, 2021 Author Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Kal-El814 said: It's been posted elsewhere that voter suppression laws don't seem to have as much of an impact as people might suspect, and people are correct in that these are nothing new. Every restriction is going to have a marginal effect. It's hard to believe you don't lose ANYONE from these restrictions. Look at how razor-thin a lot of our elections are. Do enough restrictions and those margins are going to add up eventually. Plus eventually you're going to run out of voters to animate via them getting pissed off about the restrictions to offset the ones who were successfully suppressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share Posted May 15, 2021 Mississippi justices toss voter-backed marijuana initiative APNEWS.COM JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — Mississippi will remain in the minority of states without a medical marijuana program after the state Supreme Court on Friday overturned an initiative that voters approved last fall — a decision that also limits other citizen-led efforts to put issues on the statewide ballot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Jason said: Mississippi justices toss voter-backed marijuana initiative APNEWS.COM JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — Mississippi will remain in the minority of states without a medical marijuana program after the state Supreme Court on Friday overturned an initiative that voters approved last fall — a decision that also limits other citizen-led efforts to put issues on the... The legal reasoning is the literal letter of the law which in my mind is a deathblow to textualism (not that legal reasoning should be relegated to trivialities like textualism, or originalism, or whatever; it's just a power play) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 AZ GOPers Target Dem SoS Hobbs—And Hobbs Only—In Mad Dash To Rewrite Election Rules TALKINGPOINTSMEMO.COM AZ GOPers Target Dem SoS Hobbs—And Hobbs Only—In Mad Dash To Rewrite Election Rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Also there's this Top Wisconsin Republican Robin Vos hires former cops to investigate November election WWW.JSONLINE.COM Assembly Speaker Robin Vos is hiring retired police officers to investigate aspects of the November election, joining with Republicans from around the country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 29, 2021 Author Share Posted May 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ricofoley said: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 RePuBlIc NoT a DeMoCrAcY hurr durr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 So if this is legal, could they not just pass a bill saying that only Republicans can run in Texas elections? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Texas Democrats Walk Out, Stop Republican's Sweeping Voting Restrictions WWW.NPR.ORG The revolt torpedoed the measure which would have reduced polling hours, empowered poll watchers and scaled back ways to vote in Texas, which already has some of the nation's strictest voting laws. Log in to Facebook WWW.FACEBOOK.COM Log in to Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family and people you know. Above is fb live taken yesterday in front of reporters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 The media pretends that Republicans and Democrats are the same with just like, a different opinion on what % the estate tax should be, or how high capital gains tax should be. But they ain't the same. The Republicans do not give a tinker's damn about the Constitution or any of our laws. They just want power and will do anything to gain it and hold it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted May 31, 2021 Author Share Posted May 31, 2021 2 hours ago, SaysWho? said: Texas Democrats Walk Out, Stop Republican's Sweeping Voting Restrictions WWW.NPR.ORG The revolt torpedoed the measure which would have reduced polling hours, empowered poll watchers and scaled back ways to vote in Texas, which already has some of... Log in to Facebook WWW.FACEBOOK.COM Log in to Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family and people you know. Above is fb live taken yesterday in front of reporters So how long until you the Texas GOP changes the rule on what constitutes a quorum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 29 minutes ago, Jason said: So how long until you the Texas GOP changes the rule on what constitutes a quorum. Last time Tom DeLay had the police FBI round up all the Democrats to bring them back and force Quorum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 31, 2021 Author Share Posted May 31, 2021 1 hour ago, SuperSpreader said: Last time Tom DeLay had the police FBI round up all the Democrats to bring them back and force Quorum. FBI in a state matter doe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Insane. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Abbott threatening to veto the budget for the NEXT legislature in retaliation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 lol, just gotta imagine the conversation someone had with him after saying that, "So, you know most of the legislature is republicans right?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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