Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 We got the "Saigon Moment" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Didn't they just estimate they would take Kabul within 30-90 days? What happened to that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Air_Delivery said: Didn't they just estimate they would take Kabul within 30-90 days? What happened to that? Brought to you by the people who said: "The war is turning a corner." "All we need is six more months to achieve stabilization." "The Taliban are spent as a political and military force." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Genuine question for people who know/give a shit about American military history more than myself which is damn near anyone. What was the last time the US had a genuinely successful military campaign? I feel like my entire life has been spent being told we have the greatest and biggest military the world has ever seen, meanwhile I can’t remember an unambiguous military victory in that entire time and I was born after Vietnam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said: Genuine question for people who know/give a shit about American military history more than myself which is damn near anyone. What was the last time the US had a genuinely successful military campaign? I feel like my entire life has been spent being told we have the greatest and biggest military the world has ever seen, meanwhile I can’t remember an unambiguous military victory in that entire time and I was born after Vietnam. Does Gulf War I count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said: Genuine question for people who know/give a shit about American military history more than myself which is damn near anyone. What was the last time the US had a genuinely successful military campaign? I feel like my entire life has been spent being told we have the greatest and biggest military the world has ever seen, meanwhile I can’t remember an unambiguous military victory in that entire time and I was born after Vietnam. Military victory isn't the US' problem, its the afterwards that we fuck up horribly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Does Gulf War I count? That’s what I mean, I don’t know enough of the history of the thing since I was 7 at the time to know if that actually counts as a victory or just a prelude to worse nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Just now, LazyPiranha said: That’s what I mean, I don’t know enough of the history of the thing since I was 7 at the time to know if that actually counts as a victory or just a prelude to worse nonsense. Gulf war 1 was probably the only time we had someone ask the question, "what do we do afterwards?" before we did it, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, LazyPiranha said: That’s what I mean, I don’t know enough of the history of the thing since I was 7 at the time to know if that actually counts as a victory or just a prelude to worse nonsense. It achieved it overall limited objective as defined by the Bush administration so it counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 35 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: It achieved it overall limited objective as defined by the Bush administration so it counts. I think that's the obvious problem with American military policy -- it doesn't have clear goals (except 'drop some fucking bombs to justify our expenditures'). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 So are we going to be able to watch the fall on live streams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Just now, Jwheel86 said: So are we going to be able to watch the fall on live streams? We absolutely will, complete with hastags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ominous Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Jason said: Lose what exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Just now, Ominous said: Lose what exactly? Freedom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Ominous said: Lose what exactly? Why do you hate the troops? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Afghanistan Meant Nothing. A Veteran Reflects on 20 Wasted Years | by Laura Jedeed | Aug, 2021 | Medium LAURAJEDEED.MEDIUM.COM A Veteran Reflects on 20 Wasted Years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 It meant more money for a bunch of billionaires you dummies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 I don't even know that the withdrawal is where we failed, if the country we're leaving just folds like a house of cards the minute it's left on its own. The fact that for the last 20 years we couldn't help them establish a functional government seems like the most striking failure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Reputator said: I don't even know that the withdrawal is where we failed, if the country we're leaving just folds like a house of cards the minute it's left on its own. The fact that for the last 20 years we couldn't help them establish a functional government seems like the most striking failure. The failure began the day Washington made the decision to invade Iraq and treat Afghanistan as a sideshow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 15, 2021 Author Share Posted August 15, 2021 33 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: The failure began the day Washington made the decision to invade Iraq and treat Afghanistan as a sideshow. What about when the Taliban tried to offer us OBL and Rummy refused it? I mean it's all part of the same continuum of "right after 9/11 we were gonna do Iraq no matter what" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: What about when the Taliban tried to offer us OBL and Rummy refused it? I mean it's all part of the same continuum of "right after 9/11 we were gonna do Iraq no matter what" Maybe? I just regard Iraq as being the more proximate cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mclumber1 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Iraq isn't without it's own problems, but it's pretty amazing to see the difference between these two countries. I would never have predicted back in 2005, that by 2021 Iraq would be semi-stable and the Afghanistan government crumble within weeks of the US leaving. I guess oil helps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Just now, mclumber1 said: I guess oil helps? Also, Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Also, Iran. What do you mean? As an adversary or ally of Iraq? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: What do you mean? As an adversary or ally of Iraq? As a stabilizing influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 This is an absolutely magnificent example of "spin": Quote US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken says the US is moving its embassy compound to Kabul airport. He told ABC News: "It's why we had forces on hand - to make sure we could do this in a safe and orderly fashion. The compound itself, folks are leaving there and going to the airport." He added that the embassy has lists of people to get out of harm's way and is doubling down on efforts to do so. He also denied any comparisons of the current situation to the 1975 fall of Saigon, in Vietnam, and insisted that the Afghan mission had been "successful" "This is not Saigon," he said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 21 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Also, Iran. Speaking of Iran, remember when they went from giving support to telling us to fuck ourselves when Bush went up there and called them part of the axis of evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Speaking of Iran, remember when they went from giving support to telling us to fuck ourselves when Bush went up there and called them part of the axis of evil. Oh God, yes. Tehran was more than happy to provide intelligence support when we first went in to Afghanistan in 2001 because they and the Taliban nearly came to blows on a number of occasions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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