SaysWho? Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 https://www.vox.com/2019/4/29/18522472/infrastructure-trump-nancy-pelosi-chuck-schumer Quote Pelosi requested the meeting earlier this month — a signal that Democrats may be trying to reopen talks with the president about issues like infrastructure and prescription drug pricing, which they’ve described as bipartisan priorities. And on Monday, a coalition of progressive and moderate Democrats in the House introduced a resolution detailing specific tenets they’d like to see in an infrastructure plan including a major focus on public, not private, investment. Trump, who has promised “the biggest and boldest infrastructure investment in American history,” has yet to actually deliver on anything of the sort. Every once in a while, the White House tries to build momentum around a plan, releasing some vague outline before Trump diverts attention to something else. This has happened so many times that the prospect of “infrastructure week” has become a running joke among lawmakers and congressional aides. Quote Infrastructure might be less politically fraught, but it still has potential sticking points. One of the chief issues Democrats and Republicans have disagreed on is how exactly to pay for potential upgrades to America’s transportation, telecommunications, and energy systems. Democrats especially are interested in a proposal that relies on federal spending, rather than contributions from the private sector or the states. They also want a package that calls out the need for investment in clean energy. Going into Tuesday, reports indicate that Trump is more open to Democrats’ vision than even his own advisers are. There’s a chance that will lend itself to less fighting and more building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 "Infrastructure week" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Inb4veto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 4 hours ago, SaysWho? said: Trump, who has promised “the biggest and boldest infrastructure investment in American history,” has yet to actually deliver on anything of the sort Trump has failed to deliver on pretty much everything at this point. Except the tax cut. He managed to get that done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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marioandsonic Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 48 minutes ago, Dodger said: Trump has failed to deliver on pretty much everything at this point. Except the tax cut. He managed to get that done. And pack the courts with Republicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Looks like they got a deal done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jose said: Looks like they got a deal done. But will Trump throw a tantrum and refuse to sign it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 They've only agreed to "try and craft a $2 trillion plan." Great. So they've agreed that they want to figure something out, but they have no clue how to pay for it, which couldn't possibly be a roadblock. If I recall correctly Trump's last plan was mostly made of up tax exemptions and refunds and it was a non-starter for both parties. If this means the Democrats will spend time coming up with a good plan, fine. I don't want to see them take a good plan and blow it up in an attempt to please Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 This should be the easiest thing to get done, but he'll veer off course in a week and blow up the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: This should be the easiest thing to get done, but he'll veer off course in a week and blow up the whole thing. Maybe he meant Gary Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chollowa Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 How long before Trump's base roasts him for not being fiscally conservative? Or is that not a thing any longer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, Chollowa said: How long before Trump's base roasts him for not being fiscally conservative? Or is that not a thing any longer? It's not a thing any longer...not that it ever actually was to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, Chollowa said: How long before Trump's base roasts him for not being fiscally conservative? Or is that not a thing any longer? His base wants this. The Republican elite and donor class do not really want this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 "Fiscal conservative policy" is nothing more than fiscal policy that serves socially conservative ends. They don't need fiscal policy to do that right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chollowa Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: It's not a thing any longer...not that it ever actually was to begin with. That at least used to pay lip-service to the fiscal responsibility part of their platform. I just wonder if they've fully given up the ghost and are like fuck it: "We like to spend too, we just spend differently, more patriotically? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Fiscally conservative policy was never fiscally responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 It is true. Whether the Congress was Dem or Rep, Republican presidents have never been good at lowering deficits. Clinton balanced the budget, and Obama got it down from the high recessionary deficits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chollowa Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Anathema- said: Fiscally conservative policy was never fiscally responsible. Right, that's what paying something lip-service means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chollowa said: Right, that's what paying something lip-service means. Not every response has to be a refutation and certainly mine wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chollowa Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Just now, Anathema- said: Not every response has to be a refutation and certainly mine wasn't. Apologies. I shouldn't have jumped to that conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Anathema- said: "Fiscal conservative policy" is nothing more than fiscal policy that serves socially conservative ends. They don't need fiscal policy to do that right now. "Fiscal conservatism" means allowing a Republican president to spend as much as he wants but throwing a massive tantrum whenever a Democrat wants to spend a single cent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 16 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: "Fiscal conservatism" means allowing a Republican president to spend as much as he wants but throwing a massive tantrum whenever a Democrat wants to spend a single cent. This is the correct answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 "Infrastructure week" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, Anathema- said: "Infrastructure week" A video from the streets of Detroit. Infrastructure really is in dire straits right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 56 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: A video from the streets of Detroit. Infrastructure really is in dire straits right now. You joke but the roads in Michigan are terrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: You joke but the roads in Michigan are terrible Yeah. I lived in Detroit for a while as a teenager. I remember one of the news channels would have a competition for a free set of tires every Sunday for whoever could find the biggest pothole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Any infrastructure package will have to have at least 1 of the 2 trillion be put into his wall. Anything less and he will cross his arms and pull the plug on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 On 4/30/2019 at 5:09 PM, SaysWho? said: It is true. Whether the Congress was Dem or Rep, Republican presidents have never been good at lowering deficits. Clinton balanced the budget, and Obama got it down from the high recessionary deficits. Eh, Clinton didn’t really balance the budget—that surplus was partially manufactured through some fancy accounting using money from the Social Security fund. He got close, to his (and Congress’s) credit, but No one’s produced an out-and-out surplus since the late 1960s. But we don’t need to, either; the deficit is of secondary importance to the debt-to-gdp ratio anyway. That’s generally done better under Dems, too, but I’d add the caveat that the Republicans weren’t so bad about it either until Reagan came along. The New Deal Republicans (Ike and Nixon) can be reasonably credited with being fiscally responsible, if we’re defining that as maintaining a steady or declining debt to gdp ratio. It’s Reagan and the post-Reagan GOP that have been more reckless. Reaganite policy really destroyed the party’s fiscal rectitude—among other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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