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5 minutes ago, ort said:

My wife's company is owned by evangelical mega trumpers, so I'm sure they are okay with it.

 

Aren’t they pro Israel because they believe that the Jews inheriting the holy land is what what starts the apocalypse which results in the demise of all Jews?

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1 hour ago, stepee said:

Aren’t they pro Israel because they believe that the Jews inheriting the holy land is what what starts the apocalypse which results in the demise of all Jews?

 

Yes, this is a thing among some diehard evangelicals (perhaps many or most even). It's not even about the demise of all Jews its about triggering the apocalypse so the day of judgment comes and they can go to heaven, etc. Though killing all the Jews and Muslims in that area certainly is part of it.

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1 hour ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

Yes, this is a thing among some diehard evangelicals (perhaps many or most even). It's not even about the demise of all Jews its about triggering the apocalypse so the day of judgment comes and they can go to heaven, etc. Though killing all the Jews and Muslims in that area certainly is part of it.

 

I don't understand how anyone can believe they'll make it in! If -i- were god id be like haha fuck you just dogs 

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2 hours ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

Yes, this is a thing among some diehard evangelicals (perhaps many or most even). It's not even about the demise of all Jews its about triggering the apocalypse so the day of judgment comes and they can go to heaven, etc. Though killing all the Jews and Muslims in that area certainly is part of it.

This.

 

Evangelicals need Israel for Jesus to return, it’s that simple to those dipshits. 

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3 hours ago, TUFKAK said:

This.

 

Evangelicals need Israel for Jesus to return, it’s that simple to those dipshits. 

 

Jews wouldn't even be considered allies to these types of Christians.  Jews are simply the vehicle into which the end of times occurs.  Since the Jews are all non-believers, they either are left here on earth after the rapture, or are killed an go to hell, along with everyone else who didn't make the cut into heaven with the true believers.

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3 hours ago, mclumber1 said:

 

Jews wouldn't even be considered allies to these types of Christians.  Jews are simply the vehicle into which the end of times occurs.  Since the Jews are all non-believers, they either are left here on earth after the rapture, or are killed an go to hell, along with everyone else who didn't make the cut into heaven with the true believers.

Their own beliefs contradict themselves. They need Israel for the zombie to come back but then they routinely argue America is the new chosen people cause, reasons.

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9 hours ago, mclumber1 said:

 

Jews wouldn't even be considered allies to these types of Christians.  Jews are simply the vehicle into which the end of times occurs.  Since the Jews are all non-believers, they either are left here on earth after the rapture, or are killed an go to hell, along with everyone else who didn't make the cut into heaven with the true believers.

I’ve found, in having gotten very drunk with hardcore evangelicals on several occasions, that beneath their means-to-an-end support for Israelis for purposes of the end-times gospel, there often lurks a big reservoir of good, old-fashioned, visceral anti-semitism, too, as TUFKAK alluded to.

 

And then on the progressive left I find the inverse, where beneath the visceral dislike for Israel, there’s actually a soft spot for Jews as a historically oppressed minority.


Like I always say, one of the most impressive things about the Jews is that they are one of the few groups that manage to attract both the hatred and the support of both the right and the left…at the same time.  As someone who’s never been religious and never had a dog in the fight, I appreciate them for that.  They are uniters, not dividers.

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In my entire life, I cannot name a single instance where I felt like something negative happened to me because I was Jewish.

 

I've heard a decent amount of bad Jew jokes or messed up commentary by people who did not know I was Jewish, but never from progressives, almost always from conservative country folks.

 

Most people treat Judaism as an interesting novelty.

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I don't think his guest is essentially wrong with a lot of the Palestinian sides, but at the 41min mark he discussed his take on Stateism, it said almost the quiet part out loud and a lot of why I'm having a lot of trouble with leftie discourse. He basically argues for a massively decentralized 1 or no state solution. Jesus Christ the solution to the Israeli Palestinian Conflict can't be some leftie anarchist social experiment. That's fantasy and shows a complete disinterest in peace, because it'll never happen, isn't viable between these two groups, and lefties pushing it are leading people to slaughter. 

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Evangelicals also have this idea that supporting Israel is what has lead to American prosperity. Several passages in Genesis mention the blessing and cursing of others in relation to Israel. Obviously it is talking about the person named "Israel" but, because it is religious, people extrapolate a shit ton more meaning that exists on paper.

 

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33 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:


Came here to post this as I just finished watching the episode. It was a very fair assessment, IMO.

Agreed, some things were left out but pointing fingers does nothing. I don’t want my future nieces and nephews to have to run from Israel in 20-40 years either, this shit needs to end.

 

EDIT: I will say the last clip of the dad was super powerful and moving and conveys the point well.

 

And that surgeon, just assuming the scrub colors in Israel are the same as the US, is my spirit animal.

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1 hour ago, TUFKAK said:

Agreed, some things were left out but pointing fingers does nothing. I don’t want my future nieces and nephews to have to run from Israel in 20-40 years either, this shit needs to end.


Yea, his show is only so long and as such he’ll, of course, need to gloss over some of the details and/or focus on some aspects over others. The only thing I’d really argue that he probably should have shown is the percentage of vote that actually went to Netanyahu(‘s party) in the most recent election, as it puts a proper perspective on how unpopular he actually was and is: I say this only because the majority watching are used to a two-party system.

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36 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:


Yea, his show is only so long and as such he’ll, of course, need to gloss over some of the details and/or focus on some aspects over others. The only thing I’d really argue that he probably should have shown is the percentage of vote that actually went to Netanyahu(‘s party) in the most recent election, as it puts a proper perspective on how unpopular he actually was and is: I say this only because the majority watching are used to a two-party system.

Probably because despite the bullshit, westerners are able to draw a difference between a terrorist organization who deliberately targets non combatants and has in their charter the murder of all Jews, not just in Israel but worldwide, like how the confederacy said the natural state of the insert n word, is subservience in their charter, a representative republic which lacks pluralistic support has to be the bad guy to make that make sense.

 

 

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I have no idea why this is being reported in the "Opinions" section of the Washington Post rather than the actual "News" section:

 

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The Qatari-mediated agreement could include a humanitarian pause in fighting and the release of some Palestinian women and young people from Israeli prisons.

 

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Israel and Hamas are close to a hostage deal that would free most of the Israeli women and children who were kidnapped Oct. 7, according to a high-ranking Israeli official. The agreement could be announced within days if final details are resolved, he said.

 

“The general outline of the deal is understood,” the Israeli official explained in an interview Monday, requesting anonymity to discuss the sensitive subject. The tentative agreement calls for Israeli women and children to be released in groups, simultaneously with Palestinian women and young people held in Israeli prisons.

 

Israel wants the release of all 100 women and children taken from Israel, but the initial number is likely to be smaller. Hamas has indicated it is ready to release 70 women and children, according to a statement by one of its officials on the group’s Telegram channel cited by Reuters on Monday. The number of Palestinian women and young people who might be released is unclear, but an Arab official told me last week that there were at least 120 in prison.

 

A temporary cease-fire of perhaps five days would accompany the exchange of hostages and prisoners, the Israeli official said. This truce would allow safe travel for the Israeli captives. It could also permit more international assistance to Palestinian civilians in Gaza and should ease the humanitarian crisis there, the Israeli official explained.

 

 

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Israel wants confirmation that its people held captive, each identified by name, are being released as it exchanges the Palestinian prisoners. This process of verification is one of the details that officials were still negotiating Monday.

 

Israel’s negotiation with Hamas has been conducted indirectly through Qatar, where Hamas’s political leadership is based. Qatari Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman bin Jassim al-Thani outlined the mediation effort in an interview with me last Wednesday in Doha. The next day, he met with CIA Director William J. Burns and David Barnea, director of Israeli intelligence service Mossad, to discuss the framework that now appears to be near a final package.

 

Mossad has worked closely with Qatar and the CIA in shaping the deal. Israeli officials appreciate Qatar’s help, but they want the Qataris to exert their influence on Hamas to release its captives, rather than just mediate. Egypt has also played a helpful role in encouraging the negotiations and pressuring Hamas, Israeli officials believe.

 

 

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U.S. public support for Israel's war against Hamas militants in Gaza is eroding and most Americans think Israel should call a ceasefire to a conflict that has ballooned into a humanitarian crisis, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll.

 

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U.S. public support for Israel's war against Hamas militants in Gaza is eroding and most Americans think Israel should call a ceasefire to a conflict that has ballooned into a humanitarian crisis, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll.

 

Some 32% of respondents in the two-day opinion poll, which closed on Tuesday, said "the U.S. should support Israel" when asked what role the United States should take in the fighting. That was down from 41% who said the U.S. should back Israel in a Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted Oct. 12-13.

 

The share saying "the U.S. should be a neutral mediator" rose to 39% in the new poll from 27% a month earlier. Four percent of respondents in the poll said the U.S. should support Palestinians and 15% said the U.S. shouldn't be involved at all, both similar readings to a month ago.

 

 

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The drop in U.S. support, seen in the new poll among both Democrats and Republicans and especially among older respondents, follows weeks of heavy Israeli bombardment and ground combat against Hamas in Gaza in retaliation for an Oct. 7 rampage by the Islamist militants in southern Israel. About 1,200 people were killed and around 240 taken hostage.

 

Since then, more than 11,000 Palestinians have been killed, around 40% of them children, in Israel's assault, according to counts by health officials in Hamas-ruled Gaza.

 

The Gaza crisis has sparked an international outcry that has focused in recent days on the collapsing medical infrastructure in the crowded coastal enclave. Palestinians trapped inside Gaza's biggest hospital were digging a mass grave on Tuesday to bury patients who died under Israeli encirclement.

 

 

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Some 68% of respondents in the Reuters/Ipsos poll said they agreed with a statement that "Israel should call a ceasefire and try to negotiate."

 

About three-quarters of Democrats and half of Republicans in the poll supported the idea of a ceasefire, putting them at odds with Democratic President Joe Biden who has rebuffed calls from Arab leaders, including Palestinians, to pressure Israel into a ceasefire.

 

 

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In a potentially worrisome sign for Israel, just 31% of poll respondents said they supported sending Israel weapons, while 43% opposed the idea. The rest said they were unsure. Support for sending Israel weapons was strongest among Republicans, while roughly half of Democrats were opposed.

 

By comparison, 41% of people answering the poll said they backed sending weapons to Ukraine in its fight against a nearly 21-month-old Russian invasion, compared to 32% who were opposed and the rest unsure. When it came to Ukraine, support for sending weapons was stronger among Democrats.

 

 

This erosion of public support for supplying Israel with weapons is exactly why there have been absolutely no objections in Congress to its exclusion from the recently-passed Continuing Resolution funding authority.

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Evidence gleaned since Oct. 7 shows Hamas terrorists prepared for a “second phase” of assaults amid hopes of inspiring violence in the West Bank and beyond.

 

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The first clues came from the bodies of slain militants: maps, drawings, notes, and the weapons and gear they carried.

 

In Beeri, a kibbutz town overrun by Hamas on Oct. 7, one dead fighter had a notebook with hand-scrawled Quranic verses and orders that read, simply, “Kill as many people and take as many hostages as possible.” Others were equipped with gas canisters, handcuffs and thermobaric grenades designed to instantly turn houses into infernos.

 

Each was like a piece from a grisly puzzle, a snippet of fine detail from an operation that called for hundreds of discrete crimes in specific locations. Five weeks later, the reassembled fragments are beginning to reveal the contours of Hamas’s broader plan, one that analysts say was intended not just to kill and capture Israelis, but to spark a conflagration that would sweep the region and lead to a wider conflict.

 

The evidence, described by more than a dozen current and former intelligence and security officials from four Western and Middle Eastern countries, reveals an intention by Hamas planners to strike a blow of historic proportions, in the expectation that the group’s actions would compel an overwhelming Israeli response. Several officials who had not previously spoken about the matter said the intelligence about Hamas’s motivations has become stronger in recent days.

 

 

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The findings also shed new light on the tactics and methods used by Hamas to deceive Israel’s vaunted intelligence establishment and thwart initial efforts by the Israel Defense Forces to stop the attack. After breaching the Israeli border in some 30 places, Hamas militants staged a mass slaughter of soldiers and civilians in at least 22 Israeli villages, towns and military outposts and then drew Israeli defenders into gun battles that continued for more than a day.

 

New evidence suggests that they were prepared to go even further. Some militants carried enough food, ammunition and equipment to last several days, officials said, and bore instructions to continue deeper into Israel if the first wave of attacks succeeded, potentially striking larger Israeli cities.

 

The assault teams managed to penetrate as far as Ofakim, an Israeli town about 15 miles from the Gaza Strip and about half the distance between the enclave and the West Bank. One unit carried reconnaissance information and maps suggesting an intention to continue the assault up to the border of the West Bank, according to two senior Middle Eastern intelligence officials and one former U.S. official with detailed knowledge of the evidence. Hamas had been increasing its outreach to West Bank militants in recent months, although the group says it did not notify its West Bank allies of its Oct. 7 plans in advance.

 

 

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Hamas meticulously planned and prepared for a massacre of Israeli civilians on a scale that was highly likely to provoke Israel’s government into sending troops into Gaza, analysts said. Indeed, Hamas leaders have publicly expressed a willingness to accept heavy losses — potentially including the deaths of many Gazan civilians living under Hamas rule.

 

“Will we have to pay a price? Yes, and we are ready to pay it,” Ghazi Hamad, a member of the Hamas politburo, told Beirut’s LCBI television in an interview aired on Oct. 24. “We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs.”

 

Hamas was willing to accept such sacrifices as the price for kick-starting a new wave of violent Palestinian resistance in the region and scuttling efforts at normalizing relations between Israel and Arab states, according to current and former intelligence officials and counterterrorism experts.

 

“They were very clear-eyed as to what would happen to Gaza on the day after,” said a senior Israeli military official with access to sensitive intelligence, including interrogations with Hamas fighters and intercepted communications. “They wanted to buy their place in history — a place in the history of jihad — at the expense of the lives of many people in Gaza.”

 

 

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To obtain detailed intelligence, Hamas deployed cheap surveillance drones to generate maps of the Israeli towns and military installations within a few miles of the $1 billion barrier system that Israel built to wall off Gaza. The group elicited additional information, intelligence officials said, from Gazan day laborers who were permitted to enter Israel for work, often in the same farming communities that were in Hamas’s crosshairs. It even monitored Israeli websites, studying real estate photographs and social media postings depicting life inside kibbutzim and the layouts of buildings and houses.

 

The intelligence gathering was not particularly sophisticated, but it was methodical, said Ali Soufan, a former FBI counterterrorism official and founder of the Soufan Group, a private New York security consultancy that works closely with Middle Eastern governments.

 

“If you’re in prison, you study the prison security system. That is what Hamas has been doing for 16 years,” Soufan said. “Their on-the-ground intelligence was way better than anything the Iranians could have given them.”

 

The precise plans for how and where the Hamas shock troops would attack were restricted to a tiny circle of elite military planners, amid what Western officials described as professional-grade operational security. The most crucial details appear to have been withheld even from Hamas’s political leadership and the group’s chief backers, Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and the Lebanese-based Hezbollah militant group, as officials from both organizations have publicly acknowledged.

 

 

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The distractions and ruses worked. In Gaza, less than 50 miles from the West Bank, the arming and training of Hamas assault teams was largely ignored or dismissed.

 

Surveillance footage and other data continued to flow to Israeli listening posts. But the most important communication was occurring on channels that Israelis either could not access or failed to comprehend, current and former officials said.

 

“They were conning Israel on a strategic level, using handheld radios, land-wire networks in the tunnels and other comms that we couldn’t listen to, while using codes on the so-called open networks, which they knew we were listening to,” said Eran Etzion, former deputy head of Israel’s National Security Council. “They were creating an alternative reality.”

 

 

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Despite a slow but fierce counterattack by Israelis, many of the assaulting forces, including a number of commanders, managed to return to Gaza, hauling their unexpectedly large numbers of captives in cars, on motorcycles and even in stolen golf carts. About 1,500 Hamas militants were killed by Israelis, and their bodies, phones and weapons were exploited as an intelligence bonanza. Additional insights came from a handful of men who were captured alive and interrogated.

 

The findings confirmed the thoroughness of Hamas’s intelligence-gathering efforts before the attacks. Some dead fighters had carried high-resolution maps, estimated to have been produced by drones as close as 150 feet above the ground, presumably in the summer, judging from the dryness of the vegetation in the images.

 

One assault team had been furnished with satellite-based maps, with markings showing the routes from Gaza’s Shejaiya district to the nearest breach spot in the fence, named “Malakeh Crossing.” The maps highlighted the group’s intended entrance, through two points — the front and the back entrance of a kibbutz. Sites designated “Ambush 1” and “Ambush 2,” noted on the surrounding main roads, indicated places where militants would create barriers and traps to block any rescue attempts.

 

Still another unit carried extensive lists of Israeli weapons and ammunitions to be found and looted in Alumim, a kibbutz that the militants failed to breach, referred to as “Mission 502” in documents.

 

 

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Even more alarming to some analysts was the evidence of preparation for an extended attack. Hamas officials said they were surprised by their sweeping advances on Oct. 7 and were not prepared for deeper incursions into Israel, or possibly to the West Bank. Yet multiday supplies of food and gear were found amid the bodies of several assault teams, including the units that reached Ofakim and the nearby Urim military base, which serves as a command center for 8200, an elite Israeli intelligence unit.

 

“They planned a second phase, including in major Israeli cities and military bases,” said a senior Israeli official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss classified intelligence.

 

 

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A perceived symbolic win

 

Whether the attackers held realistic expectations of progressing as far as the West Bank is unclear. Hamas officials said they had hoped to gain hostages to exchange for prisoners held in Israel and did not anticipate that nearly all the assault teams on Oct. 7 would reach their initial targets.

 

However, Hamas officials have said repeatedly that they did expect — and welcomed — an extensive Israeli retaliation. Spokesman Ali Barakeh, reached by phone in Lebanon as the Israeli ground campaign was beginning, said Hamas had prepared itself for Israeli bombs and believed it could also repel an IDF ground assault from defensive positions linked by a latticework of tunnels.

 

“They can thwart it,” Barakeh said of Hamas’s forces. Referring to Israeli ground operations, he said: “Land is easier for us. Let them come attack by land. We are ready.”

 

 

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Osama bin Laden's 'Letter to America,' published a year after 9/11, found a new fandom on TikTok and got removed from The Guardian's website.


people on tiktok agreeing with a bin laden doc in which he explicitly hates on gays and jews was not amongst the things i expected to see today

 

you really dont have to hand it to the guy for saying some true things in an otherwise hate filled justification of mass murder

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8 minutes ago, UpvoteShittyTakesOnly said:
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Osama bin Laden's 'Letter to America,' published a year after 9/11, found a new fandom on TikTok and got removed from The Guardian's website.


people on tiktok agreeing with a bin laden doc in which he explicitly hates on gays and jews was not amongst the things i expected to see today

 

you really dont have to hand it to the guy for saying some true things in an otherwise hate filled justification of mass murder


A lot of people on the far right would agree with most of the shit he said. 

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10 minutes ago, Subzwari1987 said:


A lot of people on the far right would agree with most of the shit he said. 

 

There's little doubt about that and this is an instance of where people will point to the existence of "horseshoe theory" even though it doesn't actually exist.

 

Speaking of TikTok...

 

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In just three years, the share of U.S. adults who say they regularly get news from TikTok has more than quadrupled, from 3% in 2020 to 14% in 2023.

 

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A small but growing share of U.S. adults say they regularly get news on TikTok. This is in contrast with many other social media sites, where news consumption has either declined or stayed about the same in recent years.

 

In just three years, the share of U.S. adults who say they regularly get news from TikTok has more than quadrupled, from 3% in 2020 to 14% in 2023.

 

TikTok, primarily known for short-form video sharing, has become especially popular among teens – two-thirds of whom report ever using the platform – as well as young adults.

 

Among adults, those ages 18 to 29 are most likely to say they regularly get news on TikTok. About a third of Americans in this age group (32%) say they regularly get news there, a higher share than in years before. This compares with 15% of those ages 30 to 49, 7% of those 50 to 64 and just 3% of those 65 and older.

 

More of TikTok’s U.S. adult users are getting news there as well. Currently, 43% of TikTok users say they regularly get news on the site, up from 33% who said the same in 2022. TikTok users are now just as likely to get news from TikTok as Facebook users are to get news from Facebook. Still, TikTok users are less likely than users of X, formerly Twitter, to get news on the site.

 

 

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20 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

There's little doubt about that and this is an instance of where people will point to the existence of "horseshoe theory" even though it doesn't actually exist.

 

Speaking of TikTok...

 

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In just three years, the share of U.S. adults who say they regularly get news from TikTok has more than quadrupled, from 3% in 2020 to 14% in 2023.

 

 

 

I was watching something explaining why so many "young people" are pro-Hamas (not, just pro-Palestine, but literally pro-Hamas) and it seemed to directly correlate with their using social media, namely TikTok, as a source of news and distrusting actual news outlets.

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