AbsolutSurgen Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 Just now, Jason said: Injecting opinions would be fine if they'd be upfront about what their opinions are instead of insisting on pretending like they have no opinions. An opinion piece is by definition an opinion piece. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 If a news organization is a publicly-traded company, it sucks. If a news organization is owned by a billionaire, it sucks. If a news organization is owned by a private equity firm, it sucks. If a news organization is supported by donations from the public, then it probably doesn't suck. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 minute ago, AbsolutSurgen said: An opinion piece is by definition an opinion piece. There's no such thing as a news piece completely devoid of the author's opinions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: If a news organization is a publicly-traded company, it sucks. If a news organization is owned by a billionaire, it sucks. If a news organization is owned by a private equity firm, it sucks. If a news organization is supported by donations from the public, then it probably doesn't suck. If a news organization is supported by donations from the public, it is probably struggling to survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Also, the Needle is good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Just now, Joe said: Also, the Needle is good. Bro I think you meant to post this in the bad takes thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 Just now, Jason said: There's no such thing as a news piece completely devoid of the author's opinions. In the past, news organizations at least tried to be objective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Just now, AbsolutSurgen said: In the past, news organizations at least tried to be objective. This has always been a mass delusion. Decisions like whether to use "freedom fighter" or "terrorist" are always going to involve injecting opinion. Or you wind up with the terrible "he said, but she said" pattern of "objective" news story that's just access journalism because it's set up to treat being in a higher ranking government position as making your statement more "official" and thus more authoritative--which is itself an opinion slant toward authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jason said: Bro I think you meant to post this in the bad takes thread. It’s objectively awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Joe said: It’s objectively awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Jason said: This has always been a mass delusion. Decisions like whether to use "freedom fighter" or "terrorist" are always going to involve injecting opinion. Or you wind up with the terrible "he said, but she said" pattern of "objective" news story that's just access journalism because it's set up to treat being in a higher ranking government position as making your statement more "official" and thus more authoritative--which is itself an opinion slant toward authority. Respectfully disagree. I really don't care what a 21-year old who managed B+'s in journalism school's opinion is. Most writers in papers don't have the expertise/authortity to have their opinions mean shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Respectfully disagree. I really don't care what a 21-year old who managed B+'s in journalism school's opinion is. Most writers in papers don't have the expertise/authortity to have their opinions mean shit. Yet it's still going to be there, so better to just have them be upfront about what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 Just now, Jason said: Yet it's still going to be there, so better to just have them be upfront about what it is. Show me a news source that is upfront about their bias, and I'll buy you a beer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 The Atlantic has some good long form articles sometimes 🤷 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 There was a weird thing a couple of days ago where an NYT reporter was seemingly trying to retcon James O'Keefe into a creation of Trump. Described him both in the story and in the tweet about the story as having "risen to prominence during the Trump era." Eschaton: Just Blame Everything On Trump WWW.ESCHATONBLOG.COM BREAKING: O'Keefe has been ousted by PV's board. He had risen to prominence during Trump era as Trump and his followers embraced his controv... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Show me a news source that is upfront about their bias, and I'll buy you a beer. Mother Jones Jacobin Current Affairs The Economist National Review The Nation The New Republic Reason 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Show me a news source that is upfront about their bias, and I'll buy you a beer. The Economist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I'm truly shocked that a newspaper that gave a full-throated endorsement of the invasion of Iraq would engage in such behavior. Truly. Shocked. Wasn’t that basically every newspaper back then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Just now, Dodger said: Wasn’t that basically every newspaper back then? Sure was! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, Jason said: What’s wrong with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Joe said: What’s wrong with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Why did I bother lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 NPR and the major OTA networks are pretty good about not letting Tom Cotton spew bile and don’t try to make you feel sorry for racists that lost their jobs for being racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 The Epøch Times might be up the OPs alley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 I sub to Washington Post and that’s kinda my go to. Opinion pieces aside. I also get The Atlantic and they have some good stuff in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Remember when the NYT Editorial board held those like “job interviews” for the 2020 Democratic candidates? And the cameras spent as much time on the editorial board reacting and looking pretentious and serious as they did the interviewee. All while Bernie droned on about m4a or some shit. lol lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Oh and then they did some dumbass split endorsement? God. The fucking NYT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucoe Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 11 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: It’s only center left if you lack basic analytical skills. It’s pretty solidly right center to right. Think never trump vein of conservative, not full dumbass right because they can follow and create an argument, antithesis of the trump far right. it’s been this way for a long while. An institution for the status quo. Try to keep up There's a significant reason why West Point has historically given a copy of the New York Times to every cadet dorm room from the first day of the fall semester until graduation. When I was that age, I thought it was because of the stature of the New York Times. But then over the years, I realized the reasoning was because there's no better herald of news in the US that buys the foundation of what the west believes than the New York Times. And no, this isn't a criticism of the New York Times, but just an acknowledgement of something people should have realized a long time ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, brucoe said: There's a significant reason why West Point has historically given a copy of the New York Times to every cadet dorm room from the first day of the fall semester until graduation. When I was that age, I thought it was because of the stature of the New York Times. But then over the years, I realized the reasoning was because there's no better herald of news in the US that buys the foundation of what the west believes than the New York Times. And no, this isn't a criticism of the New York Times, but just an acknowledgement of something people should have realized a long time ago. Exactly. It's the paper of record for a reason. That reason is that the power elite in the US think about and see the world in a framework that the NYT so consistently expresses. The NYT being center-right is just a reflection of the ruling class in the US. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 They got that Wordle, tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 They bought the Athletic and filled it with ads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 It's getting very ugly, very quickly at the so-called "America's Paper of Record". Per Erik Wemple of the Washington Post (America's "Other" Paper of Record): Quote The @nytimes said it won't "tolerate" participation by its journalists in "protests organized by advocacy groups or attacks on colleagues on social media and other public forums” -- in reference to a letter attacking NYT coverage of transgender youth. Quote Among those who signed that letter were several @nytimes employees. The NewsGuild of NY says that members have been called into "investigatory meetings" and an informed source tells me that disciplinary proceedings are under way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 7 hours ago, CayceG said: Exactly. It's the paper of record for a reason. That reason is that the power elite in the US think about and see the world in a framework that the NYT so consistently expresses. The NYT being center-right is just a reflection of the ruling class in the US. Right but that just makes it the paper of the aristocracy, not the paper of record. It's only been allowed to stay the paper of record as long as the aristocracy represented the voting majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 19 hours ago, GeneticBlueprint said: NPR and the major OTA networks are pretty good about not letting Tom Cotton spew bile and don’t try to make you feel sorry for racists that lost their jobs for being racist. Have you ever watched an ABC, CBS, or NBC Sunday morning show? There's a reason Chuck Todd is a meme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, osxmatt said: Have you ever watched an ABC, CBS, or NBC Sunday morning show? There's a reason Chuck Todd is a meme. I actually only read news. I meant more like cbsnews.com and the like. Though I guess I do watch election night coverage and always found it high quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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