Fizzzzle Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Kal-El814 said: Here’s the thing… who fucking cares? We have 2 people dead (assuming this hasn’t happened outside the US and we haven’t heard about it) in this specific way because there’s a notion that guns need to look as “real” as possible where “real” has more to do with what people imagine guns to look like / the rule of cool than what is actually “real.” John Wick is gun porn to a ridiculous degree, if we can accept that a suit can be bulletproof and that John can survive a 45 foot fall off a fucking building, maybe we don’t need guns loaded with something that could kill someone if a prop team misses something at the end of a 12 hour shift or an actor who’s been given props with different levels of danger throughout filing forgets which kind happens to be in their hand at a specific time. Cartridge ejections are added in post all the time now. The problem is when movies take shortcuts on things like stunts and gunshots, the movie fucking bombs, because it looks like shit. Make no mistake, if a movie came out that had no risk at all with any action sequence at all, every single person on this board would say that the movie looks like shit and is a piece of shit. That is a standard that we have set for ourselves. If you think that you are not culpable in that just as much as I am, you're crazy. If you want to remove stunts from movies, fine. But just remember every movie that we all loved, like Mad Max: Fury Road, just to name one. That movie had stunts with fast moving vehicles, gunshots, flamethrowers, explosives, gas lines (that were meant to be exploded), etc. If you want to think about it like that, the fact that no one died on the set of that movie is miraculous. Except it's not because safety protocols were followed. And even then, people still got hurt. But guess what? We APPLAUDED that movie for its stunts and realism. I belive yourself included. This was an accident and a tragedy. But far more dangerous shit is done on movie sets all the damn time, and no one cares. Keanu Reeves (or liekly his stunt double) was 1000x more likely to die from that fall than from a mistake from whoever was in charge of the gun props. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 What a fucked up situation all around and that picture of Baldwin is just horrible. I wonder what the investigation will reveal ultimately, it seems wild to me that one person died and another was seemingly seriously injured with one shot in general. So many potential scenarios when I read that headline...was he dicking around and underestimated the actual power and fired the thing right in front of both? Did someone pull a Brandon Lee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Brandon Lee died almost 30 years ago. Dozens of stuntment and who knows how many crew members have died from doing action scenes since then. I just find it really disingenuous that suddenly you care about the safety of the crew NOW. It's because this accident had a big name actor and guns attached to it. Shit, in the movie xXx, a stuntman died in a paraglyding shot AND THEY USED THAT SHOT IN THE MOVIE. Basically I'm saying you either don't want Hollywood to use stunts in movies at all, or you're a hypocrite for just using this one instance to virtue signal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Fizzzzle said: you're a hypocrite for just using this one instance to virtue signal. Guilty as charged! And that's because I consider hypocrisy to be an actual virtue! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just now, Fizzzzle said: The problem is when movies take shortcuts on things like stunts and gunshots, the movie fucking bombs, because it looks like shit. Make no mistake, if a movie came out that had no risk at all with any action sequence at all, every single person on this board would say that the movie looks like shit and is a piece of shit. That is a standard that we have set for ourselves. If you think that you are not culpable in that just as much as I am, you're crazy. If you want to remove stunts from movies, fine. But just remember every movie that we all loved, like Mad Max: Fury Road, just to name one. That movie had stunts with fast moving vehicles, gunshots, flamethrowers, explosives, gas lines (that were meant to be exploded), etc. If you want to think about it like that, the fact that no one died on the set of that movie is miraculous. Except it's not because safety protocols were followed. And even then, people still got hurt. But guess what? We APPLAUDED that movie for its stunts and realism. I belive yourself included. This was an accident and a tragedy. But far more dangerous shit is done on movie sets all the damn time, and no one cares. Keanu Reeves (or liekly his stunt double) was 1000x more likely to die from that fall than from a mistake from whoever was in charge of the gun props. John Wick shoots people in the face from close range all the time, so it’s clear that they’re not using guns that are at risk for expelling something into an actor’s head. Those movies are the gold standard for stylish gun porn. If they can do that safely there’s no excuse for loading guns with something that could harm or kill someone. None. And no, you’re wrong about the insistence on realism. How many people do you think would know Tom Cruise really was strapped to that plane or really did that HALO jump if they didn’t go on a roadshow to talk about it? Again if people can accept a CGI Thanos in two movies that made billions of dollars, they can accept someone firing a m1911 that doesn’t “look realistic.” Anyway I’m getting off topic. My point isn’t “don’t do dangerous stunts,” I’m saying don’t take needless risks. Loading a prop gun with something that could kill someone is a needless risk, full stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Seems like everyone forgets that little Jackie Aprile Jr. was killed with a prop gun and it looked fake as shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 The details are still fuzzy to me, but I could conceivably see Alec being charged with some sort of crime here, like negligent manslaughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, mclumber1 said: The details are still fuzzy to me, but I could conceivably see Alec being charged with some sort of crime here, like negligent manslaughter. Incredibly unlikely for several reasons, not the least of which is the state of New Mexico is not going to risk scaring off film productions by prosecuting an actor for an accidental death on set. NM LOOOOOVES being a production hub and anything short of Baldwin shouting “I’m going to murder you with this prop gun” right before he pulled the trigger is going to end with no charges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Kal-El814 said: John Wick shoots people in the face from close range all the time, so it’s clear that they’re not using guns that are at risk for expelling something into an actor’s head. Those movies are the gold standard for stylish gun porn. If they can do that safely there’s no excuse for loading guns with something that could harm or kill someone. None. And no, you’re wrong about the insistence on realism. How many people do you think would know Tom Cruise really was strapped to that plane or really did that HALO jump if they didn’t go on a roadshow to talk about it? Again if people can accept a CGI Thanos in two movies that made billions of dollars, they can accept someone firing a m1911 that doesn’t “look realistic.” Anyway I’m getting off topic. My point isn’t “don’t do dangerous stunts,” I’m saying don’t take needless risks. Loading a prop gun with something that could kill someone is a needless risk, full stop. Don't make me have to dissect everything you may have said about movies like Gemini Man and The Matrix for how fake as shit their motorcycle stunts look because they didn't actually do it. There are obviously times where you can fake it. I've expressed how John Wick does it multiple times and why it works. It doesn't work for everything all the time. If you want some semblance of realism in your action movies, there is going to be risk involved. Full stop. Whether that's from live guns or falls or any other thing that is even more likely to be deadly. Like, we all love The Raid: Redemption, and a big part of why we love that movie is that they *did* everything. Someone could very easily have fucking died while filming that movie. Here is the director of the Raid 2 just casually mentioning how someone cracked his head open but it wasn't "that" bad. And for whether it's a "needless" risk... we don't "need" to watch movies at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Basically I just think there are a lot of people virtue signaling here. Movie sets, especially for action movies, can be dangerous places. That's not to say there should be no accountabilty, or that investigations shouldn't be had into how the fuck MULTIPLE people got fucking shot from a supposed prop gun, but like.... the shit is dangerous. You're dealing with fire, explosives, moving vehicles, fucking even squibs can seriously injure someone if they're not done right. If you watch action movies at all, you are complicit in whatever happens to the people who film them, because it happens far more often than you think it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Again, I think there’s a meaningful difference between a dangerous stunt being executed as safely as possible while still being dangerous, or shooting a fight scene “Hong Kong style” where people are more likely to take real shots, compared to handing a weapon loaded with a lethal round to an actor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Again, I think there’s a meaningful difference between a dangerous stunt being executed as safely as possible while still being dangerous, or shooting a fight scene “Hong Kong style” where people are more likely to take real shots, compared to handing a weapon loaded with a lethal round to an actor. The most biggiest of differences is one far more regularly results in serious injury or death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Again, I think there’s a meaningful difference between a dangerous stunt being executed as safely as possible while still being dangerous, or shooting a fight scene “Hong Kong style” where people are more likely to take real shots, compared to handing a weapon loaded with a lethal round to an actor. The thing is that blanks *shouldn't* be lethal if handled properly. The problem is that someone clearly fucked up in this situation and someone died. If you're outraged by this, tell that to everyone who has died due to a safety malfunction that didn't have something to do with a gun, because they are far more numerous. *as safely as possible* is the key phrase there. It doesn't matter if we're talking about a gun or a motorcycle, people will fuck up, and when that happens it's usually deadly. @sblfilms how many people have died in films from gun accidents over the last 30 years vs. improper falls or vehicle accidents. It's a lot more than 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Fizzzzle said: @sblfilms how many people have died in films from gun accidents over the last 30 years vs. improper falls or vehicle accidents. It's a lot more than 2. I am not sure off the top of my head, but there are on set deaths due to accidents every year and we can count on one hand the number of deaths from gun accidents in our life times. Stunt work in particular leads to death or severe injury at much higher rates because it is simply far riskier even when everything is done with the utmost care. I was texting just now with my brother in law who was a police officer in NM for 20 years and recently was a police chief in the county next to where this accident occurred. He agreed there will be pressure on the local county prosecutors not to do anything about it, but that if this weren’t notable people somebody for sure would be getting a manslaughter charge as it most likely meets that bar for intentional act/unintentional outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 53 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said: Brandon Lee died almost 30 years ago. Dozens of stuntment and who knows how many crew members have died from doing action scenes since then. I just find it really disingenuous that suddenly you care about the safety of the crew NOW. It's because this accident had a big name actor and guns attached to it. Shit, in the movie xXx, a stuntman died in a paraglyding shot AND THEY USED THAT SHOT IN THE MOVIE. Basically I'm saying you either don't want Hollywood to use stunts in movies at all, or you're a hypocrite for just using this one instance to virtue signal. And Brandon Lee died from a bullet, not a blank. People seem to be missing that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, BloodyHell said: And Brandon Lee died from a bullet, not a blank. People seem to be missing that point. And we still don't know if THIS incident was from a bullet or a blank. edit: To be clear, in the case of Brandon Lee, they weren't even trying to use real "blanks" to begin with, which is why there is so much more regulation now. They were using real rounds with powder charges removed, however the primer was not removed from the charges, so the bullet was fired fast enough that it was still effectively a gunshot with a real bullet. A blank is basically a case without a bullet. So yeah... that's the difference. In a close enough distance, a blank can still be fatal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, BloodyHell said: And Brandon Lee died from a bullet, not a blank. People seem to be missing that point. It’s more complicated from that. Brandon Lee died because the gun needed to look loaded in closeups so they used dummy rounds (bullets with no gunpowder) for those shots. IIRC they didn’t remove the primer from the dummy so while it was being used the primer separated the bullet from the rest of the cartridge. Nobody realized that, and the same prop was loaded with a blank that had enough powder to fire the bullet from the barrel. Saying he wasn’t killed by a blank is… not accurate. 17 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said: The thing is that blanks *shouldn't* be lethal if handled properly. The problem is that someone clearly fucked up in this situation and someone died. If you're outraged by this, tell that to everyone who has died due to a safety malfunction that didn't have something to do with a gun, because they are far more numerous. *as safely as possible* is the key phrase there. It doesn't matter if we're talking about a gun or a motorcycle, people will fuck up, and when that happens it's usually deadly. I know all this. I’m not outraged, I’m not virtue signaling, I’m saying there’s a difference between stunt people knowingly taking risks and putting potentially lethal weapons in the hands of actors because blanks are more realistic, require less work in post production, etc. If the guy who doubled for Brandon Lee after he was killed doesn’t use blanks when he’s directing John Wick movies maybe there’s a reason for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Kal-El814 said: It’s more complicated from that. Brandon Lee died because the gun needed to look loaded in closeups so they used dummy rounds (bullets with no gunpowder) for those shots. IIRC they didn’t remove the primer from the dummy so while it was being used the primer separated the bullet from the rest of the cartridge. Nobody realized that, and the same prop was loaded with a blank that had enough powder to fire the bullet from the barrel. Saying he wasn’t killed by a blank is… not accurate. I know all this. I’m not outraged, I’m not virtue signaling, I’m saying there’s a difference between stunt people knowingly taking risks and putting potentially lethal weapons in the hands of actors because blanks are more realistic, require less work in post production, etc. If the guy who doubled for Brandon Lee after he was killed doesn’t use blanks when he’s directing John Wick movies maybe there’s a reason for that. He was killed by a bullet, not a blank.The bullet may have separated from the casing, but he was still killed by a bullet, not a blank cartridge wad. The blank created the pressure to fire the bullet, but it's still a bullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just now, BloodyHell said: He was killed by a bullet, not a blank.The bullet may have separated from the casing, but he was still killed by a bullet, not a blank cartridge wad. The blank created the pressure to fire the bullet, but it's still a bullet. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 He was killed with a gun. You can't argue that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: I mean.. there was a bullet in the cartridge. It was not a blank. A blank, by definition, does not have a projectile, that's what makes it a blank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 But, but... SNL!!! Reply lvskip 1 minute ago This is not an accident, it's a violation of safety protocols. An accident is when you wet your pants. Reply chris332 1 minute ago Better call Saul.... Reply editherudite619 1 minute ago Looks like Baldwin will have an academy award winning documentary on the stress of producing movie flop films. Reply 1 slegnawons134 1 minute ago who loaded the gun? Why was he aiming at those two? they werent actors or in the scene? Was it an intentional accident? A lot of questions and yes innocent until proven otherwise Reply 1 Docrebound 1 minute ago Why would he point a gun and then fire at the cinema photographer and director ??? Seems like a very stupid act. Reply 1 Wysiwyg577 1 minute ago Great! Maybe SNL can do a series of skits on Alec Baldwin Killing this woman. Hope they spread it out over a year and destroy him just as he tried to destroy President Trump. He deserves it! Reply extrememountainaire 2 minutes ago The WOKE HYPOCRITE is anti 2A yet he shoots films that are violent with firearms. WHAT A POSEUR. Reply Br549798 2 minutes ago had to fire gun two times one shot hitting two people whats the odds Reply Milomark71 2 minutes ago Tragedy in deed, but Baldwin is getting back some Karma. Just saying. Reply mikeyboy682 2 minutes ago Karma Reply 1 SteveO475 1 minute ago Bill Murray blew up gophers and no one was harmed Reply Argyle302 1 minute ago Sorry Alec, you can’t blame this horrific blunder on President Trump this time. He wasn’t in the room, he was only in your hollow head. Reply xussbil682 1 minute ago ALWAYS REMEMBER Hollywood starts hate guns......but can't make a movie without them Reply trishyahweh356 1 minute ago Maybe sadly this man will truly be humbled. Hopefully those were tears of sorrow for what happened and not tears for thought of being sued and held personally responsible. Reply slyventure77 1 minute ago I hope they breathalyzed him. Doubtful though. Reply formerlib851 1 minute ago Karma Reply 5150Voter 1 minute ago One has to wonder whether Baldwin's tears were acting tears or whether they were real. I'd be hard-pressed to be able to point to an instance where he actually cared about someone else aside from the publicity that he might gain from a claim of caring. Reply johnabc899 1 minute ago He went after a cop who accidentally shot someone - I have no remorse for him. Reply nic.day40 1 minute ago Leave it to dufus Democrats to blame Fox News or Conservatives....this is on Baldwin Reply nigel_tay 1 minute ago ‘in tears’? He’s a good actor! Reply 1 what???922 50 seconds ago Do no worry about Baldwin, he is a democrat so the murder will be covered up. Reply olddem909 51 seconds ago How do you accidently point a gun at a cinematographer and a director and shoot them? I doubt they were IN the film. First rule of handling any gun, assume it is real and loaded until known otherwise. Don't point a gun at anything/anyone you don't intend to shoot. Anyone that has had basic hunter sa...See more Reply AH44 52 seconds ago Well, Baldwin is an actor so who know if the tears were real. Reply smartwhitegirl 54 seconds ago Karma sweet Karma...lol. Reply ConservativeOregon 55 seconds ago There are a lot of things we don't know yet: Was there a live round(s) in the gun. Other questions obviously. One thing we DO know is that Alec acted irresponsibly. The people he shot were not actors in the movie. Most likely he was fooling around and stuck the gun into her stomach and pulled the t...See more Reply mimo120 56 seconds ago Ban movies! Reply eldubs 56 seconds ago Alec Baldwin is an unstable murderer. I am guessing his cinematographer wasn't woke enough. Lock thst fahgott up now Reply Firebird,theFormula350guy 1 minute ago Well, he wasnt holding it sideways because unlike a blmer, he hit his targets. NUM IMA SAYN? Reply dc1123 1 minute ago what kind of movie makes Alec Baldwin a star today. Reply huntersparmesandealeruncensored 1 minute ago This dead hollwood actor gets more coverage than the children that Joe droned. Reply URSOPC 1 minute ago Sorry for those killed and injured, especially their families. However, when you live a hypothetical life (anti-gun and then you kill someone with a gun) you have to step back and ask, “was Alec’s gun control position sincere or just political to be aligned with Hollywood and continue to make huge m...See more Reply 1 cruzms906 1 minute ago No such thing as accidental discharge - it's negligent discharge every time. Guns don't kill people, people do. Reply 3 Never283 1 minute ago Libs promoting gun violence in movies ? Reply 2 IloveAmerica025 1 minute ago Stacy Abrams already has mailed in the victims ballot for 2022 Reply 1 truth10853 1 minute ago They need to investigate what Baldwin had against the person he killed. Blanks do not kill, guns do not kill... People do. Here's a quick peak at what Fox News comments section has to say about this. The Fox News comments section is a great glimpse into the raw id of the current republican. You can read the article, where they dance around their true thoughts, and then go right to the comments section for the real story they want to tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
But, but... SNL!!! Reply lvskip 1 minute ago This is not an accident, it's a violation of safety protocols. An accident is when you wet your pants. Reply chris332 1 minute ago Better call Saul.... Reply editherudite619 1 minute ago Looks like Baldwin will have an academy award winning documentary on the stress of producing movie flop films. Reply 1 slegnawons134 1 minute ago who loaded the gun? Why was he aiming at those two? they werent actors or in the scene? Was it an intentional accident? A lot of questions and yes innocent until proven otherwise Reply 1 Docrebound 1 minute ago Why would he point a gun and then fire at the cinema photographer and director ??? Seems like a very stupid act. Reply 1 Wysiwyg577 1 minute ago Great! Maybe SNL can do a series of skits on Alec Baldwin Killing this woman. Hope they spread it out over a year and destroy him just as he tried to destroy President Trump. He deserves it! Reply extrememountainaire 2 minutes ago The WOKE HYPOCRITE is anti 2A yet he shoots films that are violent with firearms. WHAT A POSEUR. Reply Br549798 2 minutes ago had to fire gun two times one shot hitting two people whats the odds Reply Milomark71 2 minutes ago Tragedy in deed, but Baldwin is getting back some Karma. Just saying. Reply mikeyboy682 2 minutes ago Karma Reply 1 SteveO475 1 minute ago Bill Murray blew up gophers and no one was harmed Reply Argyle302 1 minute ago Sorry Alec, you can’t blame this horrific blunder on President Trump this time. He wasn’t in the room, he was only in your hollow head. Reply xussbil682 1 minute ago ALWAYS REMEMBER Hollywood starts hate guns......but can't make a movie without them Reply trishyahweh356 1 minute ago Maybe sadly this man will truly be humbled. Hopefully those were tears of sorrow for what happened and not tears for thought of being sued and held personally responsible. Reply slyventure77 1 minute ago I hope they breathalyzed him. Doubtful though. Reply formerlib851 1 minute ago Karma Reply 5150Voter 1 minute ago One has to wonder whether Baldwin's tears were acting tears or whether they were real. I'd be hard-pressed to be able to point to an instance where he actually cared about someone else aside from the publicity that he might gain from a claim of caring. Reply johnabc899 1 minute ago He went after a cop who accidentally shot someone - I have no remorse for him. Reply nic.day40 1 minute ago Leave it to dufus Democrats to blame Fox News or Conservatives....this is on Baldwin Reply nigel_tay 1 minute ago ‘in tears’? He’s a good actor! Reply 1 what???922 50 seconds ago Do no worry about Baldwin, he is a democrat so the murder will be covered up. Reply olddem909 51 seconds ago How do you accidently point a gun at a cinematographer and a director and shoot them? I doubt they were IN the film. First rule of handling any gun, assume it is real and loaded until known otherwise. Don't point a gun at anything/anyone you don't intend to shoot. Anyone that has had basic hunter sa...See more Reply AH44 52 seconds ago Well, Baldwin is an actor so who know if the tears were real. Reply smartwhitegirl 54 seconds ago Karma sweet Karma...lol. Reply ConservativeOregon 55 seconds ago There are a lot of things we don't know yet: Was there a live round(s) in the gun. Other questions obviously. One thing we DO know is that Alec acted irresponsibly. The people he shot were not actors in the movie. Most likely he was fooling around and stuck the gun into her stomach and pulled the t...See more Reply mimo120 56 seconds ago Ban movies! Reply eldubs 56 seconds ago Alec Baldwin is an unstable murderer. I am guessing his cinematographer wasn't woke enough. Lock thst fahgott up now Reply Firebird,theFormula350guy 1 minute ago Well, he wasnt holding it sideways because unlike a blmer, he hit his targets. NUM IMA SAYN? Reply dc1123 1 minute ago what kind of movie makes Alec Baldwin a star today. Reply huntersparmesandealeruncensored 1 minute ago This dead hollwood actor gets more coverage than the children that Joe droned. Reply URSOPC 1 minute ago Sorry for those killed and injured, especially their families. However, when you live a hypothetical life (anti-gun and then you kill someone with a gun) you have to step back and ask, “was Alec’s gun control position sincere or just political to be aligned with Hollywood and continue to make huge m...See more Reply 1 cruzms906 1 minute ago No such thing as accidental discharge - it's negligent discharge every time. Guns don't kill people, people do. Reply 3 Never283 1 minute ago Libs promoting gun violence in movies ? Reply 2 IloveAmerica025 1 minute ago Stacy Abrams already has mailed in the victims ballot for 2022 Reply 1 truth10853 1 minute ago They need to investigate what Baldwin had against the person he killed. Blanks do not kill, guns do not kill... People do.
lvskip 1 minute ago This is not an accident, it's a violation of safety protocols. An accident is when you wet your pants. Reply
editherudite619 1 minute ago Looks like Baldwin will have an academy award winning documentary on the stress of producing movie flop films. Reply 1
slegnawons134 1 minute ago who loaded the gun? Why was he aiming at those two? they werent actors or in the scene? Was it an intentional accident? A lot of questions and yes innocent until proven otherwise Reply 1
Docrebound 1 minute ago Why would he point a gun and then fire at the cinema photographer and director ??? Seems like a very stupid act. Reply 1
Wysiwyg577 1 minute ago Great! Maybe SNL can do a series of skits on Alec Baldwin Killing this woman. Hope they spread it out over a year and destroy him just as he tried to destroy President Trump. He deserves it! Reply
extrememountainaire 2 minutes ago The WOKE HYPOCRITE is anti 2A yet he shoots films that are violent with firearms. WHAT A POSEUR. Reply
Argyle302 1 minute ago Sorry Alec, you can’t blame this horrific blunder on President Trump this time. He wasn’t in the room, he was only in your hollow head. Reply
xussbil682 1 minute ago ALWAYS REMEMBER Hollywood starts hate guns......but can't make a movie without them Reply
trishyahweh356 1 minute ago Maybe sadly this man will truly be humbled. Hopefully those were tears of sorrow for what happened and not tears for thought of being sued and held personally responsible. Reply
5150Voter 1 minute ago One has to wonder whether Baldwin's tears were acting tears or whether they were real. I'd be hard-pressed to be able to point to an instance where he actually cared about someone else aside from the publicity that he might gain from a claim of caring. Reply
johnabc899 1 minute ago He went after a cop who accidentally shot someone - I have no remorse for him. Reply
nic.day40 1 minute ago Leave it to dufus Democrats to blame Fox News or Conservatives....this is on Baldwin Reply
what???922 50 seconds ago Do no worry about Baldwin, he is a democrat so the murder will be covered up. Reply
olddem909 51 seconds ago How do you accidently point a gun at a cinematographer and a director and shoot them? I doubt they were IN the film. First rule of handling any gun, assume it is real and loaded until known otherwise. Don't point a gun at anything/anyone you don't intend to shoot. Anyone that has had basic hunter sa...See more Reply
ConservativeOregon 55 seconds ago There are a lot of things we don't know yet: Was there a live round(s) in the gun. Other questions obviously. One thing we DO know is that Alec acted irresponsibly. The people he shot were not actors in the movie. Most likely he was fooling around and stuck the gun into her stomach and pulled the t...See more Reply
eldubs 56 seconds ago Alec Baldwin is an unstable murderer. I am guessing his cinematographer wasn't woke enough. Lock thst fahgott up now Reply
Firebird,theFormula350guy 1 minute ago Well, he wasnt holding it sideways because unlike a blmer, he hit his targets. NUM IMA SAYN? Reply
huntersparmesandealeruncensored 1 minute ago This dead hollwood actor gets more coverage than the children that Joe droned. Reply
URSOPC 1 minute ago Sorry for those killed and injured, especially their families. However, when you live a hypothetical life (anti-gun and then you kill someone with a gun) you have to step back and ask, “was Alec’s gun control position sincere or just political to be aligned with Hollywood and continue to make huge m...See more Reply 1
cruzms906 1 minute ago No such thing as accidental discharge - it's negligent discharge every time. Guns don't kill people, people do. Reply 3
truth10853 1 minute ago They need to investigate what Baldwin had against the person he killed. Blanks do not kill, guns do not kill... People do.
Ghost_MH Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Keyser_Soze said: According to the Corridor crew guys shooting a blank creates very little recoil so if realism is the thing you're going for, you don't get it from shooting guns with blanks in them. The recoil is physics. If a bullet is flying forward at high speed, that's going to cause the gun to move backward with a force relative to the forward momentum of the bullet. If there's no bullet shooting forward, the only recoil left would be from the hot gases being expelled. I'm pretty sure Time Crisis guns have more recoil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 What does this guy know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 New development: Prop Gun Fired by Alec Baldwin Contained Live Bullet, Says IATSE Local 44 — UPDATE WWW.YAHOO.COM The incident took place October 21 at the Bonanza Creek Ranch in Santa Fe County. It is under investigation. Quote IATSE Local 44, which covers prop masters, sent an email to its members early Friday morning that said the gun used in the scene contained “a live round” and the production’s propmaster was not a member of Local 44. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: New development: Prop Gun Fired by Alec Baldwin Contained Live Bullet, Says IATSE Local 44 — UPDATE WWW.YAHOO.COM The incident took place October 21 at the Bonanza Creek Ranch in Santa Fe County. It is under investigation. Now THAT is how you can get a charge based on negligence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 And why was the propmaster not a member of the union? A pre-scab to get around the strike action that was being proposed, and cut costs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 IATSE Says Alec Baldwin ‘Rust’ Prop Gun Had Live Round; Cops Say “Hasn’t Been Determined” DEADLINE.COM The prop gun that killed one Rust crew member & injured the director has become the focus of debate Quote Law enforcement do not know right now if the prop gun that Alec Baldwin fatally fired on a New Mexico film set yesterday contained a “live single round,” despite claims from an L.A. IATSE Local. “We haven’t even begun the forensics on that issue,” Sante Fe County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Juan Rios told Deadline this morning. “That hasn’t been determined by us as of yet,” Officer Rios added. “We expect to have more information next week as our investigation continues.” In regard to the union situation: Quote While there were no Local 44 members employed on the set of Rust, it is still to be determined if members of New Mexico Local 480, which covers “experienced film workers in 99 crafts within 20 departments,” according to their website, were working on the low budget Western. Local 44 is based in L.A. and they're the ones claiming that it was a live round and that the propmaster was non-union, not Local 480 (the New Mexico branch). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 @sblfilms - I could've sworn that you made a post here, but now it's gone. Did you delete or did the board software mess up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 19 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: @sblfilms - I could've sworn that you made a post here, but now it's gone. Did you delete or did the board software mess up? There's also a post on the Entertainment board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I think it got eaten. I was saying a lot of non union people work these smaller productions in NM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 The producer of The Boys has announced that they'll move to using VFX for muzzle flashes: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Alec Baldwin 'Rust' camera crew walked off the set in protest before the fatal shooting WWW.LATIMES.COM Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of 'Rust,' a half-dozen camera operators walked off the set to protest working conditions. Quote “Corners were being cut — and they brought in nonunion people so they could continue shooting,” the knowledgeable person said. There were two misfires on the prop gun on Saturday and one the previous week, the person said, adding “there was a serious lack of safety meetings on this set.” What I suspected... more is gonna be revealed. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Alec Baldwin 'Rust' camera crew walked off the set in protest before the fatal shooting WWW.LATIMES.COM Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of 'Rust,' a half-dozen camera operators walked off the set to protest working conditions. Am I reading this right. The deadly shooting was the fourth misfire on the set? What a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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