RedSoxFan9 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 3 hours ago, SaysWho? said: Elizabeth Warren wants to cancel up to $50,000 in student debt for 42 million 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 If that means we're actually moving asteroids I'm down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pete-buttigieg-only-top-tier-2020-democrat-lobbyist-donations_n_5cbe09d6e4b0f7a84a73681d Yuck. No thank you Mayor Pete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I'm not too concerned until he takes cash from fossil fuel lobbyists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 the hill has perfected the misleading headline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 The New York Times employs some of the dumbest people on the planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 538: Fox News Can’t Stop Talking About Bernie Sanders Klobuchar and Buttigieg are now trying to get in on the action at Fox since Sanders was heavily talked about after his town hall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 O'Rourke is returning a Chevron donation. Pro-environment folk attended his NH event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Another GOPer hopping in to challenge supreme leader? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 10 hours ago, RedSoxFan9 said: the hill has perfected the misleading headline Turning off the Yang fanboy schtick for a moment, it's pretty clear Buttigieg has the most momentum; he's the one I hear most talked about amongst the Democrats that I know, including older ones who aren't just drawn in by his millennial appeal, and now the statistics are bearing out what the anecdotes seem to portend--all of which I think indicates strong word-of-mouth. Biden and Sanders are just coasting off better name recognition in a crowded field now, IMO. I don't think it will last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: Turning off the Yang fanboy schtick for a moment, it's pretty clear Buttigieg has the most momentum; he's the one I hear most talked about amongst the Democrats that I know, including older ones who aren't just drawn in by his millennial appeal, and now the statistics are bearing out what the anecdotes seem to portend--all of which I think indicates strong word-of-mouth. Biden and Sanders are just coasting off better name recognition in a crowded field now, IMO. I don't think it will last. Biden most certainly is. Bernie has an appeal different than everyone in the contest minus Warren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: Biden and Sanders are just coasting off better name recognition in a crowded field now, IMO. I don't think it will last. Bernie came out of nowhere in 2016, so even if you wanted to argue that he's coasting on name recognition now, that's selectively omitting the fact that he did have to earn his popularity in 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: Turning off the Yang fanboy schtick for a moment, it's pretty clear Buttigieg has the most momentum; he's the one I hear most talked about amongst the Democrats that I know, including older ones who aren't just drawn in by his millennial appeal, and now the statistics are bearing out what the anecdotes seem to portend--all of which I think indicates strong word-of-mouth. Biden and Sanders are just coasting off better name recognition in a crowded field now, IMO. I don't think it will last. Sanders has at least 25% of the base locked in. I think he has a lower ceiling than many of the other candidates, but that may not matter if many of them stay in the race and split the vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Warren is the best candidate. Beto and Pete have millennial appeal and little else. Bernie's time has come and gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 He’s received over a million donations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, Massdriver said: Sanders has at least 25% of the base locked in. I think he has a lower ceiling than many of the other candidates, but that may not matter if many of them stay in the race and split the vote. You'd think Bernie voters liking Warren would be a no-brainer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jason said: You'd think Bernie voters liking Warren would be a no-brainer. She's a woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 24 minutes ago, Chris- said: She's a woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, CayceG said: Warren is the best candidate. Beto and Pete have millennial appeal and little else. Bernie's time has come and gone. Warren is certainly the candidate with the most defined policy positions. She has even garnered positive coverage from the pro-Sanders Jacobin and Current Affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Bernie is by far the left most candidate which is why there’s enthusiasm for him. Warren is closer to the center but is still much better than the rest of field, which is a blob of Tony Blairs. If Warren gets the nomination, most of the left will support her while also criticizing her every time she’s tempted to compromise on her positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Warren is only "closer to the center" because she thinks about how to enact her policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, CayceG said: Warren is the best candidate. Beto and Pete have millennial appeal and little else. Bernie's time has come and gone. I love listening to Warren talking about issues. The first time I ever heard her, she was on the Daily Show I think around 2009 talking about the economic collapse, the boom-and-bust economy prior to the New Deal, the legislation signed to stop bust cycles and the relatively mild recessions compared to the Great Depression and prior (since we had more frequent recessions for decades), and the way she explained it actually made it seem like there was not only a solution, but it was doable, both politically and putting it into action. I think Stewart said something like, "You are the first person I've spoken to who made me feel optimistic," or something to that effect. She's just a great wonk to listen to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Warren is fantastic. It's a shame she won't garner enough support to win the primary, but she's great. I'm not sure if I like her or Bernie more currently, to be honest. The rest of the field so far is meh. They also both seem like the most authentic amongst the lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 45 minutes ago, CayceG said: Warren is only "closer to the center" because she thinks about how to enact her policies. No ideological differences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 28 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: No ideological differences? From what I know about leftists, thinking about how to enact policies as opposed to merely holding ideals IS an ideological difference. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 33 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: No ideological differences? I assume she wants to keep heads attached to their bodies. Complete nonstarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, CayceG said: From what I know about leftists, thinking about how to enact policies as opposed to merely holding ideals IS an ideological difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, CayceG said: From what I know about leftists, thinking about how to enact policies as opposed to merely holding ideals IS an ideological difference. Nut in me daddy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Sanders is only the most left candidate if you don't think liberal stances on racial or reproductive justice are "left" or care about any meaningful gun restrictions. Or sanctions on Russia. To suggest he's the most left candidate is, in fact, plainly absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Surprised Yang is so high. Wonder why that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 bringing the heat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, CayceG said: From what I know about leftists, thinking about how to enact policies as opposed to merely holding ideals IS an ideological difference. Whilst somewhat true, that's a particularly cynical take. At least they mean well, which, while a low bar, is certainly better than most of the rest of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 3 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: Warren is certainly the candidate with the most defined policy positions. She has even garnered positive coverage from the pro-Sanders Jacobin and Current Affairs. The Gravel Gang is pretty detailed too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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