Joe Biden beats Donald Trump, officially making Trump a one-term twice impeached, twice popular-vote losing president

[Jwheel86]

17 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said:

Let's just reconcile ourselves to the reality that all of these roads will lead to a brokered convention.

 

How? With Biden / Warren dead and Klobuchar / Buttigieg polling at zero with minorities? I don't see it. 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

1 minute ago, Jose said:

 

With the memo that leaked earlier today, it seemed to me that she expected this result. She is playing the long-game.

That's all very well and good, but it does nothing to keep the donor money flowing.

[thewhyteboar]

5 minutes ago, Bacon said:

 

I laughed 

Inslee. 

[Joe]

3 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said:

That's all very well and good, but it does nothing to keep the donor money flowing.

 

Not predicting her victory. Just saying she ain't dropping out before Super Tuesday. 

 

[SaysWho?]

6 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Are you saying...she has a plan?!

 

[Massdriver]

I'm glad the center lane is not being dominated by Biden. 

 

Buttigieg has been really impressive. I saw his support inched up a bit with minority voters in one of the more recent national polls. We'll see if any more traction is made after tonight.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Jose said:

 

With the memo that leaked earlier today, it seemed to me that she expected this result. She is playing the long-game.

Watch the speech. Look at her funds. There is no long game to be played besides the hoping for a brokered convention surprise. At all.

[SaysWho?]

Buttigieg says he's admired Sanders for a long time and congratulates him on his strong showing.

 

Unlike Iowa, I think Butti is seeing he likely won't have enough in NH. The percentage is contracting but I don't see a huge change in the gap in raw numbers.

[SaysWho?]

I think Vox is calling it for Sanders unless that checkmark on their site means something else.

[SaysWho?]

 

[Ricofoley]

23 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said:

Let's just reconcile ourselves to the reality that all of these roads will lead to a brokered convention.

Milwaukee's a stone's throw away from Chicago, so why not have a '68 redux!

[MarSolo]

Spoken like her father didn’t have cancer twice when he ran in 2008.

[Joe]

Bernie having a heart attack and coming back stronger than ever is a selling point.

[Jason]

1 minute ago, Jose said:

Bernie having a heart attack and coming back stronger than ever is a selling point.

 

Yeah but he's still no John McCain. 

[johnny]

Just now, Jason said:

 

Yeah but he's still no John McCain. 

Did you know that John McCain was a prisoner of war???

[mclumber1]

If it's Sanders vs Trump in November, both sides are going to be praying the other candidate has a massive coronary. 

[Ricofoley]

I honestly do have concerns about Sanders' age, but not enough that I'm gonna vote for any of these other dopes that are still viable in the race

[MarSolo]

1 minute ago, mclumber1 said:

If it's Sanders vs Trump in November, both sides are going to be praying the other candidate has a massive coronary. 

I mean, I’m pretty sure Trump already did, hence that “part one of a physical” he had a few months ago.

[Joe]

The polls were pretty off this time.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

1 minute ago, Ricofoley said:

I honestly do have concerns about Sanders' age, but not enough that I'm gonna vote for any of these other dopes that are still viable in the race

There's hardly a Sanders supporter who doesn't wish there was a 55 year old with the same worldview and record as him, would be a woman or a POC,etc

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

 

Maybe caucuses are bad

[outsida]

5 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

 

Maybe caucuses are bad

[Brick]

So as a Canadian that doesn't understand these caucus things, what are they exactly, can someone explain them to me? Is it just a way for people to vote for who they want as the Democratic nominee? What happens if the candidate you voted for drops out midway through, are those all just wasted votes? What if you don't want to vote Democrat in November, and you plan to vote Republican, couldn't you vote for the Democrat you think the Republican will have the easiest time winning? 

[Joe]

Or maybe Iowa is bad.

[outsida]

On a side note, I got my ballot for the Florida primary in the mail today. 

[SaysWho?]

With all the talk about media not talking about minorities when it comes to the other candidates, CNN is currently talking about Sanders' appeal with many Hispanic Democrats and his higher percentages among black Democrats.

[mrbiggsly]

2 minutes ago, Brick said:

So as a Canadian that doesn't understand these caucus things, what are they exactly, can someone explain them to me? Is it just a way for people to vote for who they want as the Democratic nominee? What happens if the candidate you voted for drops out midway through, are those all just wasted votes? What if you don't want to vote Democrat in November, and you plan to vote Republican, couldn't you vote for the Democrat you think the Republican will have the easiest time winning? 

A bunch of jackasses stand in different corners of rooms instead of voting. If your candidate doesn't have enough support you can stand in a different corner or go home. It's like ranked choice voting but everyone knows who you voted for

[Ricofoley]

3 minutes ago, Brick said:

So as a Canadian that doesn't understand these caucus things, what are they exactly, can someone explain them to me? Is it just a way for people to vote for who they want as the Democratic nominee? What happens if the candidate you voted for drops out midway through, are those all just wasted votes? What if you don't want to vote Democrat in November, and you plan to vote Republican, couldn't you vote for the Democrat you think the Republican will have the easiest time winning? 

 

The answer to all parts of this question is: it's complicated.

 

First of all, there are only a few states that hold caucuses. A caucus refers specifically to how Iowa held its vote, where it's not just one-person, one-vote---you have to stand around in a high school gym with some other people who support your candidate and try and get a big enough group to get above a certain threshold of support. After the debacle with Iowa this year, caucuses are very likely going away, and most other states were already not doing them anyway. The whole nation-wide process of picking a candidate, which is more what you're asking about, is just referred to as the primary election.

 

Basically, every state is going to hold their own vote, and based on who gets the most votes in each state and the population of that state they get assigned a certain number of delegates. If somebody wins an outright majority of delegates--that's it. They win and they're gonna face Trump in November. If nobody gets a majority, then when the Democratic party holds its convention over the summer, delegates would vote how every many rounds it took to try and consolidate behind a single candidate who can get a majority. This is almost unheard of nowadays, but many believe it's possible this year with a crowded field and Bloomberg spending literally a billion dollars to catch up after outright skipping the first four states.

 

As far as Republicans voting for in a Democratic primary just to fuck with the results, it depends on the state. Every state has its own rules. Some states have "open" primaries, meaning you can just show up and ask for whatever ballot you want, other states are "closed," meaning you have to register with a party ahead of time. There have been some stories floating around about Trump supporters trying to organize to vote for Sanders in primaries on the assumption that it would fracture the party. I have no idea if this is actually going to happen in meaningful numbers or not. It seems like a story like that comes out in every election.

[Jason]

29 minutes ago, Jose said:

Or maybe Iowa is bad.

 

[Jwheel86]

16 minutes ago, Brick said:

So as a Canadian that doesn't understand these caucus things, what are they exactly, can someone explain them to me? Is it just a way for people to vote for who they want as the Democratic nominee? What happens if the candidate you voted for drops out midway through, are those all just wasted votes? What if you don't want to vote Democrat in November, and you plan to vote Republican, couldn't you vote for the Democrat you think the Republican will have the easiest time winning? 

 

Caucus and a Primary are different things, just a different voting method. 

 

To get the nomination you need 1991 delegates to vote for you at the DNC Convention. The DNC gives each state a set number of delegates based on population and other factors. Each state then holds a caucus or a primary to distribute the delegates to the candidate, Democrats divide up delegates proportionally. Each state also has their own rules for if independents and other party members can vote in the party primary. If your candidate drops out, they keep their delegates going into the convention. The nomination process has nothing to do with the general in November beyond picking the nomination.  

[Ricofoley]

Apparently there's a betting market out there that will give you 45-1 odds on Neil Degrasse Tyson being the Democratic nominee

 

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2020/democrat-candidate

 

??????????????

[Keyser_Soze]

41 minutes ago, Brick said:

So as a Canadian that doesn't understand these caucus things, what are they exactly, can someone explain them to me? Is it just a way for people to vote for who they want as the Democratic nominee? What happens if the candidate you voted for drops out midway through, are those all just wasted votes? What if you don't want to vote Democrat in November, and you plan to vote Republican, couldn't you vote for the Democrat you think the Republican will have the easiest time winning? 

 

 

or a more serious explanation

 

 

[thewhyteboar]

 

[Ricofoley]

 

Watch the ratio on this one

[thewhyteboar]