Stop demonizing Trump supporters.

[skillzdadirecta]

31 minutes ago, BloodyHell said:

That’s definitely true. I just don’t think he deserves to be labeled as a Trump Supporter like Kanye or Candice Owens.

 

Well he IS a known anti-semite and anti-vaxxer so...

[Greatoneshere]

2 hours ago, Mr.Vic20 said:

It's not that hard to understand, he validates their worst aspects and makes them feel like they were right about those "values" and beliefs all along. It's that simple. 

 

Exactly. It's Occam's Razor. People keep looking for some arcane, complex explanation. It's a hate/death cult. They like feeling right without having to work to reason it. The world is not a complex place.

 

They're terrible people, by literally any definition. I don't give a shit anymore about the origin story that "explains" the reason why they're terrible people. They are, and that's the reality I have to wrestle with.

[BloodyHell]

19 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Well he IS a known anti-semite and anti-vaxxer so...

Didn’t know either of those, but I don’t keep up on rap 🤷‍♂️ I knew he had some anti-korean lyrics three decades ago, but I never got to deep into the music. 

[Brick]

Counterpoint: No. 

[Keyser_Soze]

Now that Lucian is banned my amazing "white privilege" joke doesn't make sense.

[Eggman76]

I'll say it. A lot of trump supporters are hard-working, salt of the earth fine folk with economic anxiety simply because they're afraid of losing their jobs.  It was heartbreaking seeing so many mislead but well meaning blue collar people brave a pandemic just to protest keeping those jobs some months back.  While I disagree with them on some stuff and am too wimpy and unqualified to do work such as mining, janitorial services, construction, waste management, pest control, carpentry, firefighting, truck-driving, delivery, service industry, factory work, electricians, AC repair, elevator inspection, etc myself.... if they're so flustered over losing such jobs in the current capitalist system that we live in, then I for one have compassion for their struggle and say they should get to keep them, and despite all of the anger directed at them I send thoughts and prayers and positivity for the rest of their days. 

[Uaarkson]

1 minute ago, Eggman76 said:

I'll say it. A lot of trump supporters are hard-working, salt of the earth fine folk with economic anxiety simply because they're afraid of losing their jobs.  It was heartbreaking seeing so many mislead but well meaning blue collar people brave a pandemic just to protest keeping those jobs some months back.  While I disagree with them on some stuff and am too wimpy and unqualified to do such jobs as mining, janitorial services, construction, waste management, truck-driving, delivery, service industry, factory work, electricians, AC repair, elevator inspection, etc myself.... if they're so flustered over losing those jobs in the current capitalist system that we live in, then I for one have compassion for their struggle and say they should get to keep them, and despite all of the anger directed at them I send thoughts and prayers and positivity for the rest of their days. 

aww that’s cute  NOT

[Jason]

7 minutes ago, Eggman76 said:

I'll say it. A lot of trump supporters are hard-working, salt of the earth fine folk with economic anxiety simply because they're afraid of losing their jobs.  It was heartbreaking seeing so many mislead but well meaning blue collar people brave a pandemic just to protest keeping those jobs some months back.  While I disagree with them on some stuff and am too wimpy and unqualified to do work such as mining, janitorial services, construction, waste management, pest control, carpentry, firefighting, truck-driving, delivery, service industry, factory work, electricians, AC repair, elevator inspection, etc myself.... if they're so flustered over losing such jobs in the current capitalist system that we live in, then I for one have compassion for their struggle and say they should get to keep them, and despite all of the anger directed at them I send thoughts and prayers and positivity for the rest of their days. 

[Eggman76]

6 minutes ago, Uaarkson said:

aww that’s cute  NOT

 

 

 

Just now, Jason said:

 

 

 

 

 If you think their jobs should be taken because you're jealous of them having them, what would you suggest be done here?  You want these people to die in the street or woods?  Or you want them to be in jobs with higher social and political responsibility that many of them people seem uninterested in in the first place?  How in your opinion does this issue get resolved?

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

I know tons of hard working working class people who aren't racist NEXT

[Uaarkson]

Just now, Eggman76 said:

 

 If you think their jobs should be taken because you're jealous of them having them, what would you suggest be done here?  You want these people to die in the street or woods?  Or you want them to be in jobs with higher social and political responsibility that many of these people seem uninterested in in the first place?  How in your opinion does this issue get resolved?

I don’t think their jobs should be taken. What a weird post.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

If you're working class and you vote Trump you're a goddamn class traitor end of story

[Eggman76]

4 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

I know tons of hard working working class people who aren't racist NEXT

 

Of course not everyone who does blue collar work is a bigot.  I don;t no many progressives who want to do that work tbh and would say life circumstances due to capitalism pushed them into it or whatever, but be that as it may, there are many who ARE willing to have and strongly desire these jobs.  Who are you to say they shouldn't have them?  And if so, what would you suggest be done with these folks?

 

 

3 minutes ago, Uaarkson said:

I don’t think their jobs should be taken. What a weird post.

 So you would say they should get to keep those jobs?  Well, then we agree.  Why the fuss?

[Jason]

1 minute ago, Eggman76 said:

Of course not everyone who does blue collar work is a bigot

 

yet they're apparently just fucking fine with bigotry

[Uaarkson]

Stop demonizing Hitler supporters guys. They’re just economically anxious.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

1 minute ago, Eggman76 said:

 

Of course not everyone who does blue collar work is a bigot.  I don;t no many progressives who want to do that work tbh and would say life circumstances due to capitalism pushed them into it or whatever, but be that as it may, there are many who ARE willing to have and strongly desire these jobs.  Who are you to say they shouldn't have them?  And if so, what would you suggest be done with these folks?

 

 

 So you would say they should get to keep those jobs?  Well, then we agree.  Why the fuss?

Don't let the free market dictate the terms of gainful employment for one

 

Guess what we can have gainful employment and not tolerate this bullshit in the open

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Like these jobs are only desirable because of unions

[Uaarkson]

3 minutes ago, Eggman76 said:

 

Of course not everyone who does blue collar work is a bigot.  I don;t no many progressives who want to do that work tbh and would say life circumstances due to capitalism pushed them into it or whatever, but be that as it may, there are many who ARE willing to have and strongly desire these jobs.  Who are you to say they shouldn't have them?  And if so, what would you suggest be done with these folks?

 

 

 So you would say they should get to keep those jobs?  Well, then we agree.  Why the fuss?

why the fuss? are you fucking serious bro?

[Eggman76]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

yet they're apparently just fucking fine with bigotry

 

You're saying everyone in blue collar labor is a bigot?  Or are you talking about those who are likely to be proud to be blue collar above most things, would brave a pandemic and risk contracting and spreading covid to keep their jobs, etc?

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

If you're working class and vote for Republicans you're probably a bigot sorry

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Like Dems won't give you a glorious socialist revolution but there's a chance that they will actually empower your union and not fight for your fucking boss

[Eggman76]

10 minutes ago, Uaarkson said:

Stop demonizing Hitler supporters guys. They’re just economically anxious.

 

Regardless of how supporting of hate these folks are or aren't, they will still technically live on the same soil as us for a long time and we all still live in a capitalist society for now. Until that's gone, they would need to contribute in some way.  Hopefully they become de-radicalized but many will not, and they need to eat too.  And many seem to strongly want to work jobs that most do not.  You're saying it's oppressive to grant them priority in obtaining/keeping these low quality of life jobs they desire, ones that those leaning more towards academia-based politics don't want to do?  

[Uaarkson]

2 minutes ago, Eggman76 said:

 

Regardless of how supporting of hate these folks are or aren't, they will still technically live on the same soil as us for a long time and we all still live in a capitalist society for now. Until that's gone, they would need to contribute in some way.  Hopefully they become de-radicalized but many will not, and they need to eat too.  And many seem to strongly want to work jobs that most do not.  You're saying it's oppressive to grant them priority in obtaining/keeping these low quality of life jobs they desire, ones that those leaning more towards academia-based politics don't want to do?  

I haven’t said anything. In fact, I’m still trying to figure out exactly what you’re trying to say.

[Eggman76]

9 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

If you're working class and vote for Republicans you're probably a bigot sorry

 

7 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Like Dems won't give you a glorious socialist revolution but there's a chance that they will actually empower your union and not fight for your fucking boss

 

Even if they're bigoted or whatever, they clearly also value working hard more than something like a UBI. They literally chose to will that reality into existence over a more social and compassionate economy.  Bernie and Yang's policies would have favored not forcing anyone to work low quality of life jobs or die, but they still chose to die for Trump and hard work for whatever silly reason. 

 

So...if we're going to remain a capitalist system for at least a while longer, I say let 'em work, cruel as that may seem.  

[Uaarkson]

1 minute ago, Eggman76 said:

 

 

Even if they're bigoted or whatever, they clearly also value working hard more than something like a UBI. They literally chose to will that reality into existence over a more social and compassionate economy.  Bernie Yang's policies would have favored not workingforcing anyone to work low quality of life jobs or die, but they still chose to die for Trump and hard work for whatever silly reason. 

 

So...if we're going to remain a capitalist system a while longer, I say let 'em work.  

okay? I believe this thread was about demonizing trump supporters, not whether or not they should have blue collar jobs ???

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

4 minutes ago, Eggman76 said:

 

 

Even if they're bigoted or whatever, they clearly also value working hard more than something like a UBI. They literally chose to will that reality into existence over a more social and compassionate economy.  Bernie and Yang's policies would have favored not forcing anyone to work low quality of life jobs or die, but they still chose to die for Trump and hard work for whatever silly reason. 

 

So...if we're going to remain a capitalist system for at least a while longer, I say let 'em work, cruel as that may seem.  

What the fuck are you talking about

[Eggman76]

6 minutes ago, Uaarkson said:

okay? I believe this thread was about demonizing trump supporters, not whether or not they should have blue collar jobs ???

 

Point being, I think everyone can express at least enough compassion (though not empathy) to allow them priority in taking and keeping the jobs they want that nobody who likes things like education and culture want to do.

 

And to be fair, I would say this also goes for Trump supporters/sympathizers who don't want jobs that are low quality of life because they think they're above them or whatever, but that might be a bit more difficult of a thing to see happen.

[Uaarkson]

1 minute ago, Eggman76 said:

 

Point being, I think everyone can express at least enough compassion (though not empathy) to allow them priority in taking and keeping the jobs they want that nobody who likes things like education and culture want to do.

 

And to be fair, I would say this also goes for Trump supporters/sympathizers who don't want jobs that are low quality of life because they think they're above them or whatever, but that's a bit more difficult of a thing to resolve.

what in the fuck does any of that have to do with the topic of this thread bro 

[Eggman76]

12 minutes ago, Uaarkson said:

what in the fuck does any of that have to do with the topic of this thread bro 

 

already explained it

[Keyser_Soze]

If you vote for Trump you want jobs if you vote for Biden you don't want jobs.

So don't demonize them they just want jobs.

[Eggman76]

On 11/4/2020 at 12:27 AM, Keyser_Soze said:

If you vote for Trump you want jobs if you vote for Biden you don't want jobs.

So don't demonize them they just want jobs.

 

Not sure about demonizing or not.  While I definitely can't empathize a lot with Trump supporters beyond sending thoughts and prayers, I think those willing to brave a pandemic to protest their loss of jobs that mostly they want and nobody else does, and are willing to vote against compassionate society to obtain/keep them, should still get to keep them.  

 

 I'm willing to even go so far as to say anyone who's a trump supporter should have social power enacted to favor them getting priority in having jobs like those over ones that require more compassion and social responsibility, as mean as that may sound to anyone being angered by my saying it.

 

 

 

 

[mclumber1]

Biden now within a 120k in Georgia

 

[Eggman76]

Anyways, gotta go to bed now. Final thought, If anyone is genuinely angered by my saying trump supporters and sympathizers should be given very low priority in obtaining jobs of a higher quality of life which usually require solid critical thinking skills and compassion, agree to disagree. I hope you obtain a job like those that blue collar trump supporters would risk having/spreading covid to keep. sending thoughts and prayers.  

[Keyser_Soze]

25 minutes ago, Eggman76 said:

Not sure about demonizing or not.

 

Have you checked the thread you're posting in?

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

6 hours ago, Eggman76 said:

 

Not sure about demonizing or not.  While I definitely can't empathize a lot with Trump supporters beyond sending thoughts and prayers, I think those willing to brave a pandemic to protest their loss of jobs that mostly they want and nobody else does, and are willing to vote against compassionate society to obtain/keep them, should still get to keep them.  

 

 I'm willing to even go so far as to say anyone who's a trump supporter should have social power enacted against them to favor them priority in having jobs like those over ones that require more compassion and social responsibility, as mean as that may sound to anyone being angered by my saying it.

 

 

 

 

Trump supporters aren't the only ones who lost their jobs dummy

 

Based on who had disproportionately lost their jobs (low income&poc) and people who disproportionately vote democratic (low income & poc) it simply doesn't track that trump supporters are the ones who work jobs "that mostly they want and nobody else does"

 

like show me the hotel maid who was out there protesting, or the restaurant dishwasher, not the white union welder with a $70k truck and thousands of dollars in arms attached to him