Sony Epic Games interview: PCs will need to catch up to PS5's SSD

[Mr.Vic20]

PCs will survive, the question is, will there be more than one path to solving port issues. Obviously, PC will catch up and exceed the PS5's hardware. Games will still need to run on Xbox Series X so we know there will likely be some work around. IS the short term answer more RAM? Maybe. We have to hear from developers to understand the implications. Remember, this is a hype cycle right before a new generation. Each of these companies has motivation to highlight some facts and delightfully ignore other ones. That's how hype works. Lets not worry too much until developers tell us what the deal is. Its gonna be OK people! 

[legend]

30 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

This gen everyone said PCs were going to stop getting games because of piracy. 

 

I'm only addressing the stance that consoles come out more powerful every gen and that I don't think anyone really felt that way this last gen.

 

Naturally, people have and will continue to make all sorts of false claims about PC gaming in general though!

[legend]

23 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said:

PCs will survive, the question is, will there be more than one path to solving port issues. Obviously, PC will catch up and exceed the PS5's hardware. Games will still need to run on Xbox Series X so we know there will likely be some work around. IS the short term answer more RAM? Maybe. We have to hear from developers to understand the implications. Remember, this is a hype cycle right before a new generation. Each of these companies has motivation to highlight some facts and delightfully ignore other ones. That's how hype works. Lets not worry too much until developers tell us what the deal is. Its gonna be OK people! 

 

I think there is at least a staightforward path for PCs. PCs embrace NVMe going forward. As it is, that tech is getting pretty common. Eventually, it will be faster on PC, and PCs will have faster and more RAM to boot.

[Mr.Vic20]

2 minutes ago, legend said:

 

I think there is at least a staightforward path for PCs. PCs embrace NVMe going forward. As it is, that tech is getting pretty common. Eventually, it will be faster on PC, and PCs will have faster and more RAM to boot.

To be sure, super fast PCIe 4.0 NVME drives will do the trick,.  I'm wondering if using more RAM (32Gb) in the short term might be the quicker , and more cost effective solution to ensuring comparability. Of Course, Unreal Engine 5 is not due in its full form until late 2021, with matured games to follow in 2022, so maybe that concern is one that will look silly in short order? Not sure, but I do know it means hardware is moving forward, and that always makes me happy, regardless of the camp pushing it forward!  

[Reputator]

This isn't even a case of consoles being more powerful, they just have a special sauce that makes better use of the hardware.

 

Which....has always been the case.

[JPDunks4]

8 hours ago, SimpleG said:

This is the million dollar question.  If this so far and away advanced a simple comparison demo between a mid range and higher end pc would have really sealed the deal. Any time someone touts X over Y but doesn’t actually demo it , I tend to be skeptical.

Yup especially when it's an obvious marketing deal with certain talking points 

[SimpleG]

[MeatAndPotatoes]

damn i was finally going to upgrade my i5-4570 rig as soon as the rtx 3000 series comes out

[Keyser_Soze]

I claimed it just because I could, I already have it though.

[MeatAndPotatoes]

my budget is around 1k. I need a new mobo, ram, gpu and cpu. whats the best bang for buck with that price range, ive been out of the loop

 

[Duderino]

The Unreal Engine 5 demo on PlayStation 5 was the culmination of years of discussions between Sony and Epic on future graphics and storage architectures.

The Nanite and Lumen tech powering it will be fully supported on both PS5 and Xbox Series X and will be awesome on both.

— Tim Sweeney (@TimSweeneyEpic) May 15, 2020

* And high end PCs

* And with features for scaling the content down to run on current generation platforms using traditional rendering and lighting techniques

— Tim Sweeney (@TimSweeneyEpic) May 15, 2020

why PS5 and not a PC? Was it due to SSD perf?

— Tom Warren (@tomwarren) May 15, 2020

Systems integration and whole-system performance. Bringing in data from high-bandwidth storage into video memory in its native format with hardware decompression is very efficient.

— Tim Sweeney (@TimSweeneyEpic) May 15, 2020

[SimpleG]

1 hour ago, MeatAndPotatoes said:

my budget is around 1k. I need a new mobo, ram, gpu and cpu. whats the best bang for buck with that price range, ive been out of the loop

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KsGtJb

This will do 1440p at a good refresh rate and 4k at 30fps on mid settings.

 

AMD is set to release new CPU later this year so I would consider waiting or buying 3300 chip and a 500 series mobo later this month which will give you a good upgrade path. 

[Duderino]

I take all this to mean the PS5's specific architecture did play an important role in this demo, but the software side tech behind it can scale to other platforms.

 

One takeaway here is the PS5 is particularly well suited for this massive increase in asset detail.  May even be a differentiating factor for next gen.

 

If I were in the market for a new PC build and not a PS5 I would probably take a wait and see approach.  Conventional wisdom about how to best balence your system may change a bit in the future.

[AbsolutSurgen]

If I had the choice, I wouldn’t build a PC without a PCIe4.0 NVME drive and either a RDNA2 or an Ampere GPU. 

[cusideabelincoln]

2 hours ago, SimpleG said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KsGtJb

This will do 1440p at a good refresh rate and 4k at 30fps on mid settings.

 

AMD is set to release new CPU later this year so I would consider waiting or buying 3300 chip and a 500 series mobo later this month which will give you a good upgrade path. 

 

Buying right now you have to get  a B550 or X570 motherboard.  Currently AMD is stating they will NOT support their next CPUs on X470, B450, and older motherboards.

[Duderino]

Beyond the SSD, CPU, and GPU, there's also the general architecture advancements to consider if you're looking to build a PC that will match and/or surpass the PS5 here.

 

 

Sweeny also speaks to this:

Those PC numbers are theoretical, and are from drive into kernel memory. From there, it's a slow and circuitous journey through software decompression to GPU driver swizzling into video memory where you can eventually use it. The PS5 path for this is several times more efficient.

— Tim Sweeney (@TimSweeneyEpic) May 14, 2020

It may be a while before you can build a PC with similar improvements.  Imagine that will (hopefully) come with the next wave of PC hardware.  Either way I could see there being a period where people need even higher-end components (such as top end NVMe drives) to reach PS5 parity.

[AbsolutSurgen]

If all else fails, throw an extra 32GB of ram at the problem. 

[crispy4000]

 

 

 

 

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

1 hour ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

If all else fails, throw an extra 32GB of ram at the problem. 

Just like my mom used to say: “nothing a little ram in there can’t fix.”

[Keyser_Soze]

Sounds like Tim Sweeney just got money hatted by Sony to talk nice about it.

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

10 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

Sounds like Tim Sweeney just got money hatted by Sony to talk nice about it.

That was obvious when they used PS5 to show off UE5 

[PaladinSolo]

22 hours ago, SaysWho? said:

 

This wasn't thrown around in 2013. 

 

It's been 15 years since the last time we heard it, at least. 

Do you even GDDR5 bro?

[SaysWho?]

3 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said:

Do you even GDDR5 bro?

 

Ya. None of that stuff mattered; the refrain was, "PS4 and XBO are mid-tier PCs, maybe, why'd they do this g'dammit shit fucks"

 

No one said PCs would have to catch up to the "haha everything's 30fps" PS4 and the "We had to do 720p for MGS Ground Zeroes" Xbox One. I loved how everything looked, but "mid-tier PCs at best" was the refrain through and through and through.

 

  

1 hour ago, Keyser_Soze said:

Sounds like Tim Sweeney just got money hatted by Sony to talk nice about it.

 

[crispy4000]

49 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

Sounds like Tim Sweeney just got money hatted by Sony to talk nice about it.

Money for the exclusive showing perhaps.  The man has his reputation on the line for the specs talk though.

[PaladinSolo]

I honestly can't believe people still buy this PR nonsense, "Our blah blah blah is lightyears ahead of everyone!"  Consoles are great but they really need to stop overpromising everytime around.

[SaysWho?]

3 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said:

I honestly can't believe people still buy this PR nonsense, "Our blah blah blah is lightyears ahead of everyone!"

 

Every developer that's talked about it has said it's a beast.

[legend]

4 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said:

I honestly can't believe people still buy this PR nonsense, "Our blah blah blah is lightyears ahead of everyone!"  Consoles are great but they really need to stop overpromising everytime around.

 

What is it they've promised that you don't think they will deliver?

[PaladinSolo]

3 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

Every developer that's talked about it has said it's a beast.

People making things want me to buy said thing!

[SaysWho?]

I don't remember them overpromising anything last time? They gave the specs, they talked about its sharing capabilities (which were easy as all hell to use), they talked about suspend/resume and easy streaming capabilities. Half of gamers swore on their graves that FF7 Remake and Shenmue III wouldn't actually come out this gen after their reveal and they did. Death Stranding was supposed to never came out because Kojima and it came out in three years.

 

It's okay to be excited, guys. Sometimes things actually happen, gee zuz.  

 

Just now, PaladinSolo said:

People making things want me to buy said thing!

 

They're not developing the PS5. Developers were not impressed with the PS3's specs.

[PaladinSolo]

4 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

They're not developing the PS5. Developers were not impressed with the PS3's specs.

You remember things very different than me, PS3 was the coming of jesus christ cause it had 7 cores of secret sauce!  The secret sauce always turns out to be mayo and kethup though.

[SaysWho?]

2 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said:

You remember things very different than me, PS3 was the coming of jesus christ cause it had 7 cores of secret sauce!  The secret sauce always turns out to be mayo and kethup though.

 

I'm not saying Sony; I'm saying developers. 

 

 

Maybe the PS3 wasn't good and the PS5 is? The PS4 was developer-friendly to a tee. Maybe it's easy to dismiss it when you just consume the product, but it certainly wasn't a hindrance to the people who made what we play. The stuff I got excited for is what I got, no tricks or "secret sauce."

[Brian]

Wow. The only overpromise I have seen in years is from Stadia. 
 

[Keyser_Soze]

33 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

Ya. None of that stuff mattered;

 

Nerdy bitch shit

[SaysWho?]

24 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

Nerdy bitch shit

 

[SaysWho?]

25 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said:

Wow. The only overpromise I have seen in years is from Stadia. 
 

 

That's what I'm saying! I feel like they told us what we were gonna get and then we got it this gen. The features were there, and stuffl like sharing gameplay, SharePlay where people can play your games digitally without being next to you, and suspend/resume were as advertised and got better over time.