Commodore D Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: What type of test did you get to confirm your previous infection? What's the finger prick one called? Got it at CVS. Edit: it was the antibody test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Commodore D said: Whose to say I don't get sick from getting the shot as well? I could also get just as sick as I was if I had the shot. The average time of negative effects of vaccination is waaaaay shorter than even your relatively short three day illness! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Just now, sblfilms said: The average time of negative effects of vaccination is waaaaay shorter than even your relatively short three day illness! Sure, but (yes anecdotal) I know a couple people that got the shot and were down longer than my three days (one ended up in the hospital, precautionary). A lot of other factors (overall health) seem to be at play in those cases. Same could be said for people that have gotten Covid after the shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Commodore D said: What's the finger prick one called? Got it at CVS. So an antibody test. Without further testing it may not have actually been SARS-CoV-2 as false positives can happen; it may have been another coronavirus. In addition, per the Mayo clinic, a positive antibody test does not necessarily mean you are immune from SARS-CoV-2 infection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Dieing isn't the only bad thing to happen, and personally I don't like getting sick at all so I can't understand why you would go out of your way to remain vulnerable You remain vulnerable after getting it; and by the numbers my vulnerability doesn't change much if I have it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: So an antibody test. Without further testing it may not have actually been SARS-CoV-2 as false positives can happen; it may have been another coronavirus. In addition, per the Mayo clinic, a positive antibody test does not necessarily mean you are immune from SARS-CoV-2 infection Agreed and understood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 25 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: You already said you aren't taking it because of your misguided/misinformed/willfully ignorant views on the efficacy of the vaccines vs your own risk. And you won't answer which specific religion/belief would induce you to apply for an exemption. Moronism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Commodore D said: You remain vulnerable after getting it; and by the numbers my vulnerability doesn't change much if I have it or not. You significantly reduce your chances to catch the virus with vaccination, not eliminate it, not even natural derived immunity can do this. Your vulnerability is significant reduced with the shot as well, in addition to protecting you far better against hospitalization and death. Rolling the dice on not getting vaccinated is stupid and an exercise in hubris of the highest order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: You significantly reduce your chances to catch the virus with vaccination, not eliminate it, not even natural derived immunity can do this. Your vulnerability is significant reduced with the shot as well, in addition to protecting you far better against hospitalization and death. Rolling the dice on not getting vaccinated is stupid and an exercise in hubris of the highest order. You can say far better, but it doesn't move the needle much when that chance of hospitalization and death (the end goal of the developed shot) are already minute. I'd basically be rolling the dice in either situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, Commodore D said: If its offered, sure. I pay for plenty of things that aren't my issue, could be avoided by others; such is life not as a hermit. That's the trick. They don't actually offer it. The only way unvaccinated don't take up hospital beds is if the beds are already filled or they just decide to stay home and not seek medical attention when their oxygen levels plummet. 3 minutes ago, sblfilms said: A big emphasis in our family is Jesus’ directive to love your neighbor. I legitimately can’t think of an easier win on that front than for low risk people to be vaccinated for the sake of others. A couple of years ago we left the church we had been at for the last decade to go back to the church I grew up in. It’s legit 95% gray hairs over the age of 70. And the point for us was to go care for those people and eventually be the ones to lock up the building the last time. My kids were so excited to be able to get vaccinated so as to decrease the chance of getting our old folks sick, even as close to 100% of them have been vaccinated (it’s a bunch of former JSC engineers that started the church, so very scientifically literate folks). I am grateful for their generous hearts. Everything I try to do is from the perspective of how it helps someone that isn't me. Honestly, I'm probably further down the line in that regard than I really should be, but that's life after being raised the way I was. My father was the kind of pastor that spent nothing on himself other than a new sci-fi DVD or Blu-ray, once a month. Even that bit he had given up on his final few years. Everything he had he pretty much gave right away. I spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about others, whole also not having much patience for people that needlessly put others at risk. It's why I've got no issue chewing friends out for speeding or ripping into family for driving themselves to a hospital while getting faint because they put other people on the road at risk. Like fuck your desire to save a $1k on ambulance fees, you could have killed someone else on the road. I don't want COVID. I'm asthmatic, so that's a problem, but even if it weren't...I have kids. If I'm in the hospital, who is watching them? My wife? It's she just quitting her job then? How are we going to pay the bills then? What if me being in the hospital and taking up a bed means that a cancer patient can't get surgery and ends up dying early because of it? That life is now on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Dude is fucking trolling and y’all are bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, Joe said: Dude is fucking trolling and y’all are bored. I'm watching paint dry, so a little bit, yeah. Actually, I'm watching hundreds of thousands of changes I made to a server slowly propagate while my girls are sitting on the floor next to me playing on their iPads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Joe said: Dude is fucking trolling and y’all are bored. Now @Joe I don't troll (well maybe a little, but I let it be know); I'm trying to engage in constructive dialog (have a cold, works done, kinda bored, after months D1P it is). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Joe said: Dude is fucking trolling and y’all are bored. I mean I should be preparing for an interview I have tomorrow but someone is wrong on the internet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Commodore D said: Now @Joe I don't troll (well maybe a little, but I let it be know); I'm trying to engage in constructive dialog (have a cold, works done, kinda bored, after months D1P it is). You sound like you get sick a lot, strong immune system dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I mean I should be preparing for an interview I have tomorrow but someone is wrong on the internet Oh believe me, I’m the last person that should criticize heh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: That's the trick. They don't actually offer it. The only way unvaccinated don't take up hospital beds is if the beds are already filled or they just decide to stay home and not seek medical attention when their oxygen levels plummet. Everything I try to do is from the perspective of how it helps someone that isn't me. Honestly, I'm probably further down the line in that regard than I really should be, but that's life after being raised the way I was. My father was the kind of pastor that spent nothing on himself other than a new sci-fi DVD or Blu-ray, once a month. Even that bit he had given up on his final few years. Everything he had he pretty much gave right away. I spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about others, whole also not having much patience for people that needlessly put others at risk. It's why I've got no issue chewing friends out for speeding or ripping into family for driving themselves to a hospital while getting faint because they put other people on the road at risk. Like fuck your desire to save a $1k on ambulance fees, you could have killed someone else on the road. I don't want COVID. I'm asthmatic, so that's a problem, but even if it weren't...I have kids. If I'm in the hospital, who is watching them? My wife? It's she just quitting her job then? How are we going to pay the bills then? What if me being in the hospital and taking up a bed means that a cancer patient can't get surgery and ends up dying early because of it? That life is now on me. If I show up, and they say this bed is yours, I'll take it. I'll receive the care of which I'm paying, like any other person would. All about helping others, even at my (financial) expense, if it makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Joe said: You sound like you get sick a lot, strong immune system dude You know, when you aren't around people a lot (because of Covid), then the kids and wife (no shot either) go back to school, its a bit easier to catch things (the rest of the house was sick last week). It just came over me today, have a tissue in my nose as I type; I'll probably be over it by the weekend; may be well enough for my trip to New Jersey Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I mean I should be preparing for an interview I have tomorrow but someone is wrong on the internet I am up in the bucket of a 45 foot boom lift working on a screen, but I still have time to tell wrong person on the internet that they are wrong. Don’t let anybody question your dedication to the cause of fighting guy on the internet who is wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Commodore D said: You know, when you aren't around people a lot, then the kids and wife (no shot either) go back to school, its a bit easier to catch things (the rest of the house was sick last week). It just came over me today, have a tissue in my nose as I type; I'll probably be over it by the weekend; may be well enough for my trip to New Jersey Monday. Oh fuck me 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I mean I should be preparing for an interview I have tomorrow but someone is wrong on the internet 2 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I am up in the bucket of a 45 foot boom lift working on a screen, but I still have time to tell wrong person on the internet that they are wrong. Don’t let anybody question your dedication to the cause of fighting guy on the internet who is wrong Your dedication brings me back once or twice a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 We're gonna have to bring back the Herman Cain Award reaction soon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Hey guys what going......oh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 I'm about to have a Teams meeting in 2 minutes with some superintendents and CIO in our school division over a problem that HR created and now IT needs to solve in the next 2 hours or the division is in giant legal trouble...but I am here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, Joe said: Oh fuck me In the area? Lunch or dinner on me. LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted September 30, 2021 Author Share Posted September 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I'm about to have a Teams meeting in 2 minutes with some superintendents and CIO in our school division over a problem that HR created and now IT needs to solve in the next 2 hours or the division is in giant legal trouble...but I am here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Commodore D said: If I show up, and they say this bed is yours, I'll take it. I'll receive the care of which I'm paying, like any other person would. All about helping others, even at my (financial) expense, if it makes sense. Everyone that hasn't gotten the vaccine says they aren't at high risk and they aren't really worried about getting sick, but they're all still perfectly willing to fill up hospitals across the nation stopping people with unavoidable maladies from getting the help they need and causing needless suffering. It's the "I don't care if others suffer if it saves me from a temporary, minor inconvenience" from modern day religious types that leave so many of our churches empty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: Everyone that hasn't gotten the vaccine says they aren't at high risk and they aren't really worried about getting sick, but they're all still perfectly willing to fill up hospitals across the nation stopping people with unavoidable maladies from getting the help they need and causing needless suffering. It's the "I don't care if others suffer if it saves me from a temporary, minor inconvenience" from modern day religious types that leave so many of our churches empty. Forgive them father, for they say, ‘fuck you got mine.’” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: Everyone that hasn't gotten the vaccine says they aren't at high risk and they aren't really worried about getting sick, but they're all still perfectly willing to fill up hospitals across the nation stopping people with unavoidable maladies from getting the help they need and causing needless suffering. It's the "I don't care if others suffer if it saves me from a temporary, minor inconvenience" from modern day religious types that leave so many of our churches empty. Whose to say what is avoidable and what isn't, who should be where and who shouldn't; I wont be the one to do so, as that becomes a slippery slope. I'm just stating I'll participate in the system where allowed. Quite a leap you take there though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 33 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I am up in the bucket of a 45 foot boom lift working on a screen, but I still have time to tell wrong person on the internet that they are wrong. Don’t let anybody question your dedication to the cause of fighting guy on the internet who is wrong King shit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 28 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Forgive them father, for they say, ‘fuck you got mine.’” Jesus told his disciples in Matthew 20:16: So the last shall be last, and the first first: for many may be ill, but few get there first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 25 minutes ago, Commodore D said: Whose to say what is avoidable and what isn't, who should be where and who shouldn't; I wont be the one to do so, as that becomes a slippery slope. I'm just stating I'll participate in the system where allowed. Quite a leap you take there though. Statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Air_Delivery said: Imagine being this dumb <shrugs shoulders> My intelligence or lack there of has worked fairly well for me so far; how's yours working for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Intelligence aside, you lack empathy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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