osxmatt Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Oh God it’s started. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Jwheel86 said: 3rd parties fuck the UK again. Maybe I’m not understanding the results you posted, but that seems like an odd way to interpret them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 25 minutes ago, Massdriver said: Maybe I’m not understanding the results you posted, but that seems like an odd way to interpret them. In a lot of seats the Lib Dems screwed Labour out of holding the seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 36 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: In a lot of seats the Lib Dems screwed Labour out of holding the seats. First past the post systems screwed the pooch here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Corbyn resigned edit- Nevermind? Kind of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, osxmatt said: Oh God it’s started. They conveniently skip over the Canadian election where Trudeau won by shifting to the left...two times in a row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 It's gonna be takes like this from here to next November. Strap in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Lib Dem leader loses seat to SNP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Lib Dem leader loses seat to SNP Well at least there’s one thing we can be happy about tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 The UK had a pretty good run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ricofoley said: The UK had a pretty good run Did it though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 jfc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Man that's grim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: They conveniently skip over the Canadian election where Trudeau won by shifting to the left...two times in a row. But Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Massdriver Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I don't follow UK politics very closely, so I'm learning some stuff about Corbyn. This doesn't seem like a typical politician over there based on many of his positions. The guy was a EU skeptic himself at one point. He had a huge disapproval rating. My question is why did labour have this guy leading the party if he was so disliked? Everyone is up in arms blaming the liberal democrats and the scots, but why was this guy leading labour and why does he not get some of the blame for failing miserably to lead his party to victory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 52 minutes ago, Massdriver said: I don't follow UK politics very closely, so I'm learning some stuff about Corbyn. This doesn't seem like a typical politician over there based on many of his positions. The guy was a EU skeptic himself at one point. He had a huge disapproval rating. My question is why did labour have this guy leading the party if he was so disliked? Everyone is up in arms blaming the liberal democrats and the scots, but why was this guy leading labour and why does he not get some of the blame for failing miserably to lead his party to victory? I don't remember if it was posted in this thread or on the discord, but his policies were massively popular (+44% or thereabouts for a few of them) but corbyn was underwater by like 40% personally. But these issues seemed to be backseat to brexit so ymmv. From what i understand labor didn't have a strong message on it until later in the election cycle where libdems were remain /revote and Tories leave, generally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 hours ago, osxmatt said: Oh God it’s started. Just laugh at these people, they get paid better than we do but know nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thewhyteboar Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Just laugh at these people, they get paid better than we do but know nothing Andrew Sullivan has gone completely nuts since Trump's election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Massdriver said: I don't follow UK politics very closely, so I'm learning some stuff about Corbyn. This doesn't seem like a typical politician over there based on many of his positions. The guy was a EU skeptic himself at one point. He had a huge disapproval rating. My question is why did labour have this guy leading the party if he was so disliked? Everyone is up in arms blaming the liberal democrats and the scots, but why was this guy leading labour and why does he not get some of the blame for failing miserably to lead his party to victory? Corbyn is (or at least was) massively popular with his own base, similar to Trump, even though he was massively unpopular with the general public. His own party caucus kicked him out as leader, but the party members voted him back in. It's a classic situation of the grassroots members not being in tune with what the general electorate will tolerate. The major difference between Corbyn and Sanders is that Sanders is pretty popular with the US electorate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69los Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Sadiq Khan did not mince words over the anti-semitism in the Labor party under Corbyn. Where are our anti-semitism deniers to shout him down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I think it's true that left leaning interests across the globe, particularly passionate advocates, should learn from the UK election that policy does not overcome everything else. In the current climate of right wing monied interests running hard on xenophobia, labour campaigning as xenophobic-but-with-labour-friendly-policies is clearly not a winning message. That does NOT mean that left politics are self-defeating. It means that they won't overcome other campaign issues and Corbyn being a xenophobic anti-semetic brexit supporter didn't make it easier for the racists to vote for labour and it also made it harder for other ostensible allies to vote for them. I do believe that this means our candidate in the US has to be anti-racist, but I already thought that. We're not going to win back soft trump voters by saying that we can appeal to their racism too. 1992 was almost 30 years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, Anathema- said: I think it's true that left leaning interests across the globe, particularly passionate advocates, should learn from the UK election that policy does not overcome everything else. In the current climate of right wing monied interests running hard on xenophobia, labour campaigning as xenophobic-but-with-labour-friendly-policies is clearly not a winning message. That does NOT mean that left politics are self-defeating. It means that they won't overcome other campaign issues and Corbyn being a xenophobic anti-semetic brexit supporter didn't make it easier for the racists to vote for labour and it also made it harder for other ostensible allies to vote for them. I do believe that this means our candidate in the US has to be anti-racist, but I already thought that. We're not going to win back soft trump voters by saying that we can appeal to their racism too. 1992 was almost 30 years ago. I agree that traditional material interests don't overcome all, but what explains the massive loss this election with 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 The lib dem leader had better favorables than Corbyn within the labour party, its really hard to win when your own party doesn't really believe you should be in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted December 14, 2019 Author Share Posted December 14, 2019 Has Corbyn resigned yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: Has Corbyn resigned yet? He "won't lead Labour into the next election", but he has not resigned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Not familiar enough with the system, if he resigns does labour lose a seat, is there an election, etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Right wing nationalism in the Anglo world is so, so great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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