CitizenVectron Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Looks like the Conservatives under Boris Johnson are going to win a majority with around 43% of the vote. And even though a majority would vote to remain in the EU today, Johnson will likely initiate a hard Brexit and imo start the beginning of the end of the UK. And we have Russia to mostly thank for this movement. Russia is doing a bang-up job of destroying the west. Imagine if, instead of abandoning them in the 90s to gloat, the US had partnered with Russia and bailed it out, brought it into NATO, etc? Also Corbyn is possibly one of the worst leaders in western democratic history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Let it burn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamer.tv Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I’ll be voting labour but I’m not expecting anything outside of the predicted outcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Why the FUCK isn’t every British non-nobility non-rich person voting labor? Simply unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 hours ago, SilentWorld said: Why the FUCK isn’t every British non-nobility non-rich person voting labor? Simply unbelievable. If it makes you feel any better, at least there are some anarchists booting Labour... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 When do the results come in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, marioandsonic said: When do the results come in? I saw something that said the news can't report anything til 10pm local time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, thewhyteboar said: I saw something that said the news can't report anything til 10pm local time. That's correct - exit polls cannot be released until 2200 GMT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: That's correct - exit polls cannot be released until 2200 GMT. And that is 5 PM EST, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, marioandsonic said: And that is 5 PM EST, correct? Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamer.tv Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Twitter tells me we could be looking at a hung parliament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 It'll be a Conservative majority (maybe with the DUP), or Labour in a non coalition coalition with the Scottish Nationals (who want a second independence referendum) and the Lib Dems (who want a People's Vote on Brexit). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 I can't see the Conservatives not winning, with these poll numbers and their more efficient vote distribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 So assuming Boris Johnson and his party get their way, how soon would a hard Brexit happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, marioandsonic said: So assuming Boris Johnson and his party get their way, how soon would a hard Brexit happen? A very good question that I don't think we have an answer to. I would think the timeline would be pretty short. Weeks seems unlikely, but I wouldn't put it past a couple months if Johnson can do whatever he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, TwinIon said: A very good question that I don't think we have an answer to. I would think the timeline would be pretty short. Weeks seems unlikely, but I wouldn't put it past a couple months if Johnson can do whatever he wants. Let it happen before the 2020 election. Maybe it will cause the economy to take a nosedive and cost Trump the election. I know that sounds cold-hearted, but fuck it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: I can't see the Conservatives not winning, with these poll numbers and their more efficient vote distribution. The MOE on british polling is massive, like 9 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 32 minutes ago, marioandsonic said: Let it happen before the 2020 election. Maybe it will cause the economy to take a nosedive and cost Trump the election. I know that sounds cold-hearted, but fuck it. I would posit that a no-deal Brexit is at least a short term positive for the US as the EU will effectively punish the England for their shenanigans and the need to boost activity with other big trading partners will be expedited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: The MOE on british polling is massive, like 9 points. Yeah, UK polls are bullshit. That said the 3rd parties hurt Labour more. 48 minutes ago, marioandsonic said: So assuming Boris Johnson and his party get their way, how soon would a hard Brexit happen? The current deadline is January 31st, if he's got a majority he'll pass his deal that's already agreed with the EU then enter the 14 month transition period where they have negotiate the "future relationship" including trade deals with the EU and US. 14 months to do trade deals that normally take 7+ years to negotiate is where you get the hard brexit now. The shit they've been fighting over for the past 3 years was supposed the easy part compared to what's coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I would posit that a no-deal Brexit is at least a short term positive for the US as the EU will effectively punish the England for their shenanigans and the need to boost activity with other big trading partners will be expedited. Yeah we'd get to bend England over the rails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 Canada already has the free-trade deal with the EU so this will also benefit Canada. And the UK will be desperate for a deal now too, and has shown that they suck at negotiating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Just now, CitizenVectron said: Canada already has the free-trade deal with the EU so this will also benefit Canada. And the UK will be desperate for a deal now too, and has shown that they suck at negotiating. It won't be the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: It won't be the UK Sorry, we will negotiate free-trade deals with Scotland, England, and the United Ireland. Wales doesn't count because they will be made part of England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said: Sorry, we will negotiate free-trade deals with Scotland, England, and the United Ireland. Wales doesn't count because they will be made part of England. I'm calling that Scotland will immediately join the EU, as will the republic of Ireland and northern Ireland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 Hmm. That's true, Scotland will join the EU. I wonder if Northern Ireland and Ireland will merge if Scotland leaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Hmm. That's true, Scotland will join the EU. I wonder if Northern Ireland and Ireland will merge if Scotland leaves. Spain might block entry due to the Barcelona thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Exit Poll: Conservative Majority by 86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Does Corbyn resign as party leader tomorrow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Nevermind tomorrow - Corbyn resigns tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 And Scotland is out the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ghost_MH Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 SNP with 55 seats. I imagine they don't stick around for long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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