Macron calls Amazon fires an 'international crisis' ahead of G7

[Remarkableriots]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/macron-calls-amazon-fires-an-international-crisis-ahead-of-g7/ar-AAGcLMG?ocid=AMZN

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French President Emmanuel Macron has angered his Brazilian counterpart by calling the wildfires blazing in the Amazon rainforest an "international crisis" that should be on the agenda at the G7 summit in Biarritz.

"Our house is burning. Literally. The Amazon rain forest - the lungs of our planet which produces 20% of our oxygen - is on fire. It is an international crisis," Macron tweeted Thursday.

"Members of the G7 Summit, let's discuss this emergency first order in two days!" he said, adding the hashtag #ActForTheAmazon.

 

[Remarkableriots]

 

[DarkStar189]

[marioandsonic]

Can't wait for Trump to say there's nothing wrong with this.

[GeneticBlueprint]

It's no iPad but my tablet was a great value Macron. I feel a little insulted.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Times like this make me yearn for the days of regime change. Almost.

[Keyser_Soze]

It's fake news though.

 

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/verify/verify-facts-vs-fiction-on-fires-in-the-amazon/509-603a8670-4900-4696-b2c8-b055d96c988c

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

France and Ireland declare opposition to trade deal over Amazon fires

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/23/ireland-could-oppose-trade-deal-brazil-fails-stop-amazon-fires-leo-varadkar?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

 

This is exactly what Bolsonaro's agribusiness allies feared would happen.  They have actually been pressuring him to clamp down on the fires out of fear of being locked out of European markets.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Had he just ramped up the clear-cutting no one would have known

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

5 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Had he just ramped up the clear-cutting no one would have known

Exactly - they've gone about it in the most stupidly visible way possible.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Awaiting for a mea culpa from some of this boards neolibs sporting this Economist line.

 

He told you what he was going to do. Same as Trump. Believe them when they say they're going to do x.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Awaiting for a mea culpa from some of this boards neolibs sporting this Economist line.

 

He told you what he was going to do. Same as Trump. Believe them when they say they're going to do x.

You can always count on fascists and Islamists to do EXACTLY what they tell you they're going to do.  They're actually quite "honest" from a certain perspective.

[marioandsonic]

53 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Awaiting for a mea culpa from some of this boards neolibs sporting this Economist line.

 

He told you what he was going to do. Same as Trump. Believe them when they say they're going to do x.

Leopards Eating People's Faces

[Rodimus]

Watch Trump end up taking the side of the fire starters in Brazil just because it is an opposing view to our allies in the G7.

[Ricofoley]

I don't know if you guys have seen similar, but I've seen a lot of Facebook posts about this from people who generally aren't heavy on political/current events posts on FB. I get a sense that literally watching the amazon be razed to the ground in satellite photos has had an affect on people that aren't necessarily moved by, say, a graph of future temperature projections. I don't know if it's actually going to lead to an increase in activism or anything but... one can hope. Gotta latch onto something here.

[Jason]

 https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145498/uptick-in-amazon-fire-activity-in-2019

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

I haven’t read up on what started the fire and why it’s spreading, but aren’t forest fires sometimes good things clear away dying and dead plants to allow new goriest to grown in? 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

7 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said:

I haven’t read up on what started the fire and why it’s spreading, but aren’t forest fires sometimes good things clear away dying and dead plants to allow new goriest to grown in? 

These are fires to clear the jungle for agribusiness/mining.

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

1 hour ago, SFLUFAN said:

These are fires to clear the jungle for agribusiness/mining.

Fuck those companies. 

[SuperSpreader]

8 hours ago, Jason said:

 https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145498/uptick-in-amazon-fire-activity-in-2019

Oh wow... That sort of looks like it's over. Capitalism won.

[SuperSpreader]

10 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said:

Fuck those companies. 

Here's the problem: America and European nations became wealthy by polluting and using resources from other parts of the world. Now we say "that's bad don't do that" and they tell us to fuck off. America and Euro nations have zero creditability on this in the eyes of Mexico and S America. The REASON a lot of them have problems is because of how much their resources were exploited during colonization. 

 

Now you may think, that was Spain, it wasn't. French invaded Mexico for example and installed a Austrian dictator, Germans and Brits took advantage and used up resources, bullied their industries in, America, well... We fuck everything up in every way you can think of. The "Western world" has been fucking the world for ages, now that they're in a position to generate wealth we say it's bad. 

 

I'm not saying it isn't, we just look like we're full of shit. Since we fucked the world to where it is today. 

[Ghost_MH]

On 8/23/2019 at 9:01 PM, Ricofoley said:

I don't know if you guys have seen similar, but I've seen a lot of Facebook posts about this from people who generally aren't heavy on political/current events posts on FB. I get a sense that literally watching the amazon be razed to the ground in satellite photos has had an affect on people that aren't necessarily moved by, say, a graph of future temperature projections. I don't know if it's actually going to lead to an increase in activism or anything but... one can hope. Gotta latch onto something here.

 

Unlikely. Most people realize this is bad, but it won't really register as what kind of bad since most people don't realize these fires are being set purposefully.

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

29 minutes ago, 2user1cup said:

The "Western world" has been fucking the world for ages, now that they're in a position to generate wealth we say it's bad. 

 

I'm not saying it isn't, we just look like we're full of shit. Since we fucked the world to where it is today. 

Yeah that is definitely the issue in South American when it comes to resources. We got rich fucking up their land, and now try to tell them they can’t get rich fucking up their own land, because we now know, or now care about how their land serves a greater purpose existing unfucked. 

 

We don’t really have the moral high ground. Maybe all us rich countries that fucked their land could just pay them to not fuck their land. But nit would need to be a ton of money. 

 

...but Germany’s good for it. 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

I have zero issues with us paying out the freakin' nose to Developing World nations to offset the "economic costs" of their environmental conservation as well as granting them significant preferential access to our markets as an incentive.

[SuperSpreader]

47 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said:

Yeah that is definitely the issue in South American when it comes to resources. We got rich fucking up their land, and now try to tell them they can’t get rich fucking up their own land, because we now know, or now care about how their land serves a greater purpose existing unfucked. 

 

We don’t really have the moral high ground. Maybe all us rich countries that fucked their land could just pay them to not fuck their land. But nit would need to be a ton of money. 

 

...but Germany’s good for it. 

 

37 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said:

I have zero issues with us paying out the freakin' nose to Developing World nations to offset the "economic costs" of their environmental conservation as well as granting them significant preferential access to our markets as an incentive.

 

I mean, maybe that's the only answer - call it something that allows Western nations to pat themselves on the back and claim the moral highground (because you know nothing gets them off better), but it's actually reparations. Never gonna happen as long as boomers are in charge though, and quite frankly, not feeling all that optimistic about GenX-Y.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

 

[Commodore D]

On 8/25/2019 at 11:46 AM, 2user1cup said:

Here's the problem: America and European nations became wealthy by polluting and using resources from other parts of the world. Now we say "that's bad don't do that" and they tell us to fuck off. America and Euro nations have zero creditability on this in the eyes of Mexico and S America. The REASON a lot of them have problems is because of how much their resources were exploited during colonization. 

 

Now you may think, that was Spain, it wasn't. French invaded Mexico for example and installed a Austrian dictator, Germans and Brits took advantage and used up resources, bullied their industries in, America, well... We fuck everything up in every way you can think of. The "Western world" has been fucking the world for ages, now that they're in a position to generate wealth we say it's bad. 

 

I'm not saying it isn't, we just look like we're full of shit. Since we fucked the world to where it is today. 

“Civilization” brought to the world through the destruction of nature. 

[Remarkableriots]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/brazil-rejects-g7-aid-to-fight-amazon-fires-govt/ar-AAGnUmW?ocid=AMZN

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Brazil on Monday rejected aid from G7 countries to fight wildfires in the Amazon, with a top official telling French President Emmanuel Macron to take care of "his home and his colonies."

We appreciate (the offer), but maybe those resources are more relevant to reforest Europe," Onyx Lorenzoni, chief of staff to President Jair Bolsonaro, told the G1 news website.

Lorenzoni was referring to a $20 million pledge made at the G7 summit in France to fight the rainforest blaze.

"Macron cannot even avoid a foreseeable fire in a church that is a world heritage site. What does he intend to teach our country?" He continued, referring to the fire in April that devastated the Notre-Dame cathedral.

 

 

[Remarkableriots]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/near-the-amazon-fires-residents-are-sick-worried-and-angry/ar-AAGeLGe?ocid=AMZN

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Earlier this week, Porto Velho’s airport had to be closed as the fire raged right up against its perimeter, barely skirting a fuel depot. Charred palm trees now greet visitors on their arrival. In the city, the smoke is noticeable even deep within a large shopping mall and inside sealed hotel rooms. The number of people admitted to state hospitals with pneumonia, severe coughing and other respiratory illnesses has tripled in the last week, according to local news reports.

On Friday morning, life on the streets here appeared normal; people took no precautions to shield themselves from the smoke. At a fruit stand along the busy Imigrantes Street, Laine Polinaria de Oliveira catered to a steady stream of customers stopping to buy pineapples, papaya, watermelon, and guayaba, the Brazilian version of guava.

“Business is normal, but everyone is talking about the fires,” she says. “We are used to fires during this time of year, but this year is so much worse than before.”

Hailing from Nova Mamoré, a small town 186 miles away, where the fires are even more intense than around Porto Velho, de Oliveira says she is particularly worried about her nine-year-old son inhaling the dirty air.

Shipping route aflame

Situated not far from the Bolivian border, along the Madeira River, a 2,000-mile-long tributary of the Amazon, Porto Velho is a major shipping hub in the northwestern part of the Brazilian Amazon. Smoke from the fires had led to poor visibility for boat operators on the river, elevating the risk of them crashing into other boats or running aground on exposed sand banks.

Jerrison da Silva Cruz, a local boat driver and fisherman, recounted a harrowing incident on Wednesday evening as he and a crew on board a ship traveling upstream ran into a wall of fire at a major bend in the river about 12 hours from Porto Velho.

Indigenous people in danger?

Of even greater concern is the fate of the Amazon’s many indigenous communities. One million indigenous people live in the Brazilian part of the Amazon basin, many in complete isolation from the outside world.

“Nobody knows what’s going on with them … they have no firemen to call to go there and put out the fire,” says Ivaneide Bandeira Cardoso, the well-known founder of Kanindé, a Porto Velho-based advocacy group for indigenous communities.

Cardoso and many others say Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro is directly responsible for the escalation of forest fires throughout the Amazon basin this year. Since taking power at the beginning of the year, Bolsonaro has made it clear he prioritizes the interests of industries that want greater access to protected lands. His critics say he has emboldened ranchers and farmers to burn even more land by cutting back on law enforcement and signaling that his government will not impose fines for illegal land-grabbing.

“What causes this tragedy are the words of the president,” says Cardoso, adding that while the greatest victims of the fires are indigenous people and nature, it is a “tragedy that affects all of humanity,” since the Amazon plays such an important role in the global ecosystem as a carbon sink to stem the effects of climate change.

 

[Remarkableriots]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/brazil-s-bolsonaro-says-he-might-accept-g-7-offer-to-help-fight-amazon-fires-if-macron-apologizes/ar-AAGoPJ8?ocid=AMZN

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Bolsanaro said he wouldn’t make a final decision until Macron apologized for remarks that Bolsonaro considered a challenge to his credibility and an attack on Brazil’s sovereignty.

“Before speaking or accepting anything from France, even if it comes from the best possible intentions, he must retract his words. Then we can talk,” he told journalists.

 

[Greatoneshere]

On 8/25/2019 at 11:46 AM, 2user1cup said:

Here's the problem: America and European nations became wealthy by polluting and using resources from other parts of the world. Now we say "that's bad don't do that" and they tell us to fuck off. America and Euro nations have zero creditability on this in the eyes of Mexico and S America. The REASON a lot of them have problems is because of how much their resources were exploited during colonization. 

 

Now you may think, that was Spain, it wasn't. French invaded Mexico for example and installed a Austrian dictator, Germans and Brits took advantage and used up resources, bullied their industries in, America, well... We fuck everything up in every way you can think of. The "Western world" has been fucking the world for ages, now that they're in a position to generate wealth we say it's bad. 

 

I'm not saying it isn't, we just look like we're full of shit. Since we fucked the world to where it is today. 

 

All true except none of that matters because now we know what we didn't then - that doing all that to the environment is ultimately going to kill us. And that makes all the difference. Reparations, etc. sure, but either way they can't do it, end of story, period. We can't either, and all nations need to improve. Now we know.

[SuperSpreader]

1 hour ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

All true except none of that matters because now we know what we didn't then - that doing all that to the environment is ultimately going to kill us. And that makes all the difference. Reparations, etc. sure, but either way they can't do it, end of story, period. We can't either, and all nations need to improve. Now we know.

No one is gonna sacrifice themselves for the greater good. 

[Greatoneshere]

36 minutes ago, 2user1cup said:

No one is gonna sacrifice themselves for the greater good. 

 

I would hope otherwise but it appears that this is the case. If so, then we shouldn't even bother trying to save ourselves. My hope is that this isn't the case - we just need the right messaging to the world's population. The film Arrival got at this. 

[Zaku3]

10 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

I would hope otherwise but it appears that this is the case. If so, then we shouldn't even bother trying to save ourselves. My hope is that this isn't the case - we just need the right messaging to the world's population. The film Arrival got at this. 

TBH our only is things getting so bad we need to form the Earth Federation like in pre-Universal Century Gundam's timeline.