Greatoneshere Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 I was behind but have finally caught up and watched episodes 3 and 4. This is an excellent adaptation of the book. Not perfect but as good as one could have hoped for. They are absolutely nailing the Marika-Blackthorne relationship and the authenticity with the brutality of that final cannon scene: goddamn. Everyone really needs to be watching this show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberChef Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 I thought Mel Gibson's 'The Patriot' showed me the horror or a cannon ... then episode 4 of Shogun dropped and OMFG!!! How does this show rule on EVERY FREAKING LEVEL!?!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 Oh yeah - those cannons at the end were definitely firing chain shot! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Holy shit this show is so good. I didnt think they would make tv like this any more. Shit they barely make movies of this quality any more. Just finished watching the first two episodes. Im so hooked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Guys, I didn’t hold out and I’m all caught up! It’s a fanatic rendition and I am greatly relieved! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 god this show is so fucking good to the people who have read the book, has it been pretty faithful? this makes me want to read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 9 hours ago, johnny said: god this show is so fucking good to the people who have read the book, has it been pretty faithful? this makes me want to read it. All of the broad strokes (so far) are there, so its a pretty good adaption. Certain sub plot events are slightly reorder to support character development. The biggest difference is that the book had a LOT of thoughts unspoken that serve to fill in the world and its citizen's motives. The TV adaption doesn't have this luxury and so its down to the actors to convey much of this with body language and tone. That said, I think the cast is doing a great job with that angle and I could hardly be happier with the show! I will add that Blackthorn as a protagonist is a little more virtuous then he was in the book. Not a deal breaker, but it is a change to one of the book's main characters, and this could again be down to not hearing his thoughts like you get to in the book. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 10 hours ago, johnny said: god this show is so fucking good to the people who have read the book, has it been pretty faithful? this makes me want to read it. Basically . . . 24 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said: All of the broad strokes (so far) are there, so its a pretty good adaption. Certain sub plot events are slightly reorder to support character development. The biggest difference is that the book had a LOT of thoughts unspoken that serve to fill in the world and its citizen's motives. The TV adaption doesn't have this luxury and so its down to the actors to convey much of this with body language and tone. That said, I think the cast is doing a great job with that angle and I could hardly be happier with the show! I will add that Blackthorn as a protagonist is a little more virtuous then he was in the book. Not a deal breaker, but it is a change to one of the book's main characters, and this could again be down to not hearing his thoughts like you get to in the book. This. It's a great adaptation, but it sands off the rougher edges of all the characters, particularly Buntaro and Yabushige. Blackthorne is a little more virtuous but he was always a bit more virtuous given his different value set than all the Japanese people. I'd say the book fills in a lot more detail about every day Japanese life in that era for the different castes, there are a lot more characters to add to the mystery/intrigue of the political machinations and you get a lot more of the inner thoughts of all of the characters where you learn how truly weird (or different in 1600) everyone was. Still, this is the best adaptation one could get given the density of the material. I absolutely recommend the book. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Finally started this tonight, Rise of The Ronin is the perfect companion game to this show. Only about 20 minutes in and MAN it is beautifully shot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Man, another absolutely fantastic and compelling episode of TV. They are doing the best they can to nail the surreal poetry and romance from the book of scenes like praying in two different languages at the same time with a wall between Blackthorne and Mariko or everything with Kiku at the Willow World. Four more to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberChef Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Show of the year for me so far and it hasn't waivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 3 Author Share Posted April 3 Man, Lord Toranaga's brother's got a totally dope helmet! If owned a helmet like that, I'd NEVER take it off! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 That ending certainly wasn't one that I expected at all though it's definitely kinda "poetic" considering what that character said earlier in the episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberChef Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 So with every new episode, we are all watching that opening credit sequence without skipping right, or is it only me? It's just so ominous and beautiful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 I’ve really gotta finish this book, dammit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 this weeks episode fucks soooo hard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69los Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 I feel like the ending of every episode really makes me want the next episode to be available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 They fucking nailed the seppuku scene from the book. Goddamn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 10 Author Share Posted April 10 That was a supremely intense episode! The tea ceremony scene was absolute perfection, especially this: 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberChef Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Every single episode is better than the last, truly tremendous!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 i’m told they are courtesans 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BJ_ Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 😢😭😢😫 What an amazing show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Well that was an amazing and exhausting episode of television. It really doesn't get better than this for TV. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeon Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 I fell way behind on this show. Episode 3 is the last one I saw. Oh darn, I guess I’ll just have to watch an episode a day for the next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 That was perhaps one of the most intense, engaging works of media that I've experienced in ages Anna Sawai better be damned well recognized for her role at the next awards season! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 I finally got caught up. This is, with out exaggeration or any hyperbole, is one of the greatest pieces of media I have experienced. That last episode in particular. It should be getting talked about in the conversation for greatest individual episodes of television of all time. I really hope this show and its actors get the recognition they deserve 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Finally caught up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeon Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Got caught up this morning, then downloaded Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge to keep the buzz going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted Monday at 05:18 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:18 PM Sitting all day in the airport and I finally got the book finished. I don’t go back to work until Thursday so probably gonna start the show tonight or tomorrow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted Tuesday at 03:10 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:10 PM I'm sure TV show fans were surprised by how much more of a denoument this final episode is, expecting there to be some big final battle instead, but that's not really what the book is about. I really enjoyed the finale, wrapping things up and really closing out the characters' journeys. It did feel a tad rushed in the last 10 minutes or so, but they nailed the individual scenes and concepts. What a miniseries - loved it. I'm sad they didn't keep/show the very final line of the book, but I imagine they felt that was too much of a downer ending. What they went with was good though instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted Tuesday at 04:49 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:49 PM 1 hour ago, Greatoneshere said: I'm sure TV show fans were surprised by how much more of a denoument this final episode is, expecting there to be some big final battle instead, but that's not really what the book is about. I really enjoyed the finale, wrapping things up and really closing out the characters' journeys. It did feel a tad rushed in the last 10 minutes or so, but they nailed the individual scenes and concepts. What a miniseries - loved it. I'm sad they didn't keep/show the very final line of the book, but I imagine they felt that was too much of a downer ending. What they went with was good though instead. Haven’t watched the finale yet. But as a non book reader I can say I wasn’t/am not expecting a large battle of any kind. That would actually be pretty disappointing if there was one haha. The political and social maneuvering is what makes the story great and that’s how I’m hoping it finishes its story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted Tuesday at 05:05 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:05 PM 1 hour ago, Mercury33 said: Haven’t watched the finale yet. But as a non book reader I can say I wasn’t/am not expecting a large battle of any kind. That would actually be pretty disappointing if there was one haha. The political and social maneuvering is what makes the story great and that’s how I’m hoping it finishes its story. That's promising to hear! I hope most people who didn't read the book "get" that what happened in episode 9 was the battle. Obviously all of these characters are based on real historical people (just the names have been changed and how things went down embellished) so of course there were battles in real life but that's not how it works for this specific story (the Battle of Sekigahara being very famous, as one example). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted Tuesday at 05:06 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 05:06 PM Episode 9 was very much the execution of "Crimson Sky". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted Tuesday at 05:29 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:29 PM the entire sequence of Mariko trying to leave was so so good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted Wednesday at 02:34 AM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 02:34 AM What an appropriately melancholy, morally complex conclusion to such a magnificent series 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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