Sony God of War pushed to 2022, will be cross gen along with GT7. HZD on target for 2021 but may still slip

[ShreddieMercury]

1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

 @ some of the first replies:

 

What the fuck

Well, shit....

OH FUCK NO

Well fuck

That's ugly lol

Disgusting

What a massive letdown.

ugh, cant wait to get out of this crossgen bullshit

 

And the most prophetic of all:

 

Oh boy...this thread is gonna go places

 

 

"Disgusting" lol.

[crispy4000]

9 hours ago, JPDunks4 said:

I think the fact that Microsoft, and even Sony now more and more, are developing for PC, changes the idea of cross-gen games a bit.

 

When do we think the PC gaming minimum specs will be that of the PS5 and Xbox Series Consoles?  Microsoft need to develop for a wide array of PC devices day one for all their games, so Cross Gen games aren't as simple as developing for the Series S even.  They need to account for low end PC's they want included.  Sony might be thinking the same thing depending on time tables for their games possibly coming to PC.

 

AAA game development is still largely driven by console specifications.  There’s generally little thought on what the bottom rung PC experience is like.  Just that it can run there, kinda sorta, if you dare it to.  It’s mainly companies like Riot that care about designing from the bottom up, with integrated chips in mind.

 

On consoles, it just doesn’t work that way.  We’ll sooner see prior gen versions evaporate than resort to PC lowest settings, or extremely substandard resolutions.  Listed PC min specs will eventually rise as well.  They’re already up to X1X/Pro level rigs in many cases.  FSR could keep it there for some time, delaying the inevitable by a year or two?  We’ll see.  There’s more than just GPU specs.

 

The only wrinkle here could be if AMD’s FSR will work on the PS4/XBO base machines.  Still wouldn’t be a great experience, but who knows, it could help the previous gen consoles stick around a little longer than they otherwise would.

 

[best3444]

I just hope I can walk into a store later next year and actually buy a ps5 or an xsx. If not, I'll keep waiting. 

[SaysWho?]

9 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

 @ some of the first replies:

 

What the fuck

Well, shit....

OH FUCK NO

Well fuck

That's ugly lol

Disgusting

What a massive letdown.

ugh, cant wait to get out of this crossgen bullshit

 

And the most prophetic of all:

 

Oh boy...this thread is gonna go places

 

 

I remember seeing it up to, like, 10 pages within 10 minutes of being posted.  

 

I feel like you could take "This thread is gonna go places" and "lol at the reactions" and that would probably make up at least 9 of those pages.

[SaysWho?]

11 hours ago, ManUtdRedDevils said:

 

 

Astro Bot is part of the logo.

 

I so love it.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

59 pages 

[SimpleG]

Thought this was a pretty good article about the cross gen issues, worth noting the author is a game dev so hes not speaking out of his ass.

 

Forget business sense, Sony’s cross-gen U-turn is disappointing for PS5’s potential | VGC

WWW.VIDEOGAMESCHRONICLE.COM

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Sony's PS4 announcements mean we'll likely have to wait for Mark Cerny'

 

[SimpleG]

17 hours ago, ShreddieMercuryRising said:

This news should make browsing ResetEra very enjoyable this afternoon.

ResetEra is the gooch of game forums 

[crispy4000]

Sony: We believe in generations and game worlds made possible by our SSD. But actually, most all of our games are cross-gen.  Buy Ratchet!

 

Microsoft: We won’t leave any gamer behind and can scale everything to the prior gen.  But actually, most of our biggest announced games won’t make sense there.  Buy Halo!

[Bloodporne]

3 hours ago, SaysWho? said:

 

Astro Bot is part of the logo.

 

I so love it.

I've only dipped into Astro's Playroom but even the hour or two I did play...that game is really, really good feeling and fun. Whatever full-blown retail title they do next (that's not VR), I'm buying. 

[Bloodporne]

12 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

 @ some of the first replies:

 

What the fuck

Well, shit....

OH FUCK NO

Well fuck

That's ugly lol

Disgusting

What a massive letdown.

ugh, cant wait to get out of this crossgen bullshit

 

And the most prophetic of all:

 

Oh boy...this thread is gonna go places

 

I browse ERA for news here and there and there is literally nothing that forum can't turn into an anxiety-riddled, doom 'n gloom shitshow that's also somehow a personal insult on each poster's very being within two pages. No doubt this decision has somehow caused 50% of ERA posters some form of extreme suicidal depression they'll end up blaming on a toy.  

[SaysWho?]

3 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

I've only dipped into Astro's Playroom but even the hour or two I did play...that game is really, really good feeling and fun. Whatever full-blown retail title they do next (that's not VR), I'm buying. 

 

Yup. I noticed that during Astro Bot: Rescue Mission, an absolutely delightful VR title. 

 

It's funny: I didn't care about platformers for ages, and then Astro Bot and Sackboy make me love platformers again and make me doubly excited for Ratchet, which I already loved but is half-platformer/half-shooter.

[Bloodporne]

21 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

Yup. I noticed that during Astro Bot: Rescue Mission, an absolutely delightful VR title. 

 

It's funny: I didn't care about platformers for ages, and then Astro Bot and Sackboy make me love platformers again and make me doubly excited for Ratchet, which I already loved but is half-platformer/half-shooter.

I haven't played Sackboy. The name sounds like some weird horny anime. I've basically always gone Mario whenever I wanted to play a platformer in general. 

[SaysWho?]

1 minute ago, Bloodporne said:

I haven't played Sackboy. The name sounds like some weird horny anime. I've basically always gone Mario whenever I wanted to play a platformer in general. 

 

I'm probably gonna be swimming in 3D Mario World/Odyssey/NSMBU when I get a Switch, so I get you, but Sackboy is really good. Awesome couples game and great couch co-op and online options, lots of creative hazards/enemies, fun customization for your characters. I played parts of 3D Mario World years ago which is what got me interested in Sackboy. 

 

No regrets. Sackboy is a great game.

[ShreddieMercury]

46 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

I browse ERA for news here and there and there is literally nothing that forum can't turn into an anxiety-riddled, doom 'n gloom shitshow that's also somehow a personal insult on each poster's very being within two pages. No doubt this decision has somehow caused 50% of ERA posters some form of extreme suicidal depression they'll end up blaming on a toy.  

 

It's fascinating and my morbid curiosity makes it hard to look away.  I can just never get enough of the double standard of having a supposedly super progressive and inclusive environment and simultaneously going for the throat and attempting dunks on everyone in every thread.  There is some great and insightful commentary buried in there, but ultimately it's just ground zero for the console wars and it's hilarious.

[Bloodporne]

3 minutes ago, ShreddieMercuryRising said:

 

It's fascinating and my morbid curiosity makes it hard to look away.  I can just never get enough of the double standard of having a supposedly super progressive and inclusive environment and simultaneously going for the throat and attempting dunks on everyone in every thread.  There is some great and insightful commentary buried in there, but ultimately it's just ground zero for the console wars and it's hilarious.

I find the disconnect between that forum's hysterical obsession with theoretical goodness and its actual vicious hostility and sheer hatred for basically everything in life really fun to browse once in a while when D1P hasn't had a pizzapartyfire.gif thread in a while.

[crispy4000]

It’s too much effort for me to keep track of every journalist/youtuber/developer that’s supposed to be hated there.  It’s practically turned into a gamersgate in reverse.

 

The silliest ones are the threads where their community can’t decide if someone should be forgiven yet.

 

The whole thing about 8chan and THQ Nordic too.  I think their hivemind already forgot about its boycott.

[best3444]

6 hours ago, SimpleG said:

Thought this was a pretty good article about the cross gen issues, worth noting the author is a game dev so hes not speaking out of his ass.

 

Forget business sense, Sony’s cross-gen U-turn is disappointing for PS5’s potential | VGC

WWW.VIDEOGAMESCHRONICLE.COM

---

Sony's PS4 announcements mean we'll likely have to wait for Mark Cerny'

 

 

@Brick you were dead on like I said. Cross gen sucks and I really hate this time of generations of consoles. Once the mid cycle consoles hit then the party really begins with seeing tech and next gen fully realized.

 

Oh well. Sticking with my Switch, PS4 Pro, and Xbox One X for a long while I guess. 

[Brick]

2 hours ago, best3444 said:

 

@Brick you were dead on like I said. Cross gen sucks and I really hate this time of generations of consoles. Once the mid cycle consoles hit then the party really begins with seeing tech and next gen fully realized.

 

Oh well. Sticking with my Switch, PS4 Pro, and Xbox One X for a long while I guess. 

 

 

What can I say? I'm always right. 

 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

61 pages

[Greatoneshere]

I don't give a shit. I don't like cross gen but ultimately just give me good games. I play games from Disco Elysium to Blasphemous to The Last of Us Part II. Graphics, etc. don't matter at the end of the day, a smooth playing, well done, fun game is all that matters. If it's that, I'm down.

 

But yeah, fuck cross gen.  

[crispy4000]

For those interested in another Resetera breakdown, the recent thread on Leffen’s (Smash) psycho stalker is generating some golden nuggets.

‘The Smash community was a mistake.’ ‘All cops are bad, all Smashers are bad.’ ‘Dude, Resetera was started because one of our trusted mods was a pedo.’

[legend]

That big games are still keeping last gen alive right now isn't terribly surprising. I would not have wanted to start a big project that *demands* the new hardware until you were really sure what that hardware was and how you could lean on it. Developers will probably need time to get a feel for it before they go big.

 

My guess is we'll see next-gen demanding games start showing up in 2023 -- long enough to have had a feel for the console and develop the game.

[AbsolutSurgen]

Reason #52 that I'm OK with my decision not to buy a PS5 yet.

[ShreddieMercury]

I think what's also being lost in discussion is that the idea of taking "full advantage" of next gen hardware for most people seemingly comes down to graphics and frame rates alone.  Browsing through the God of War cross-gen talk, it's sad that what's getting people worked up is primarily the rock and tree moving sequences that hide load times.  Load times and shinier visuals are apparently as far as people's imaginations can extend in regard to the next generation of video games.  There's not much about the absolute dearth of game design innovation that we're experiencing.  We do seem to be at a point of diminishing returns, at least as far as AAA development is concerned.

[skillzdadirecta]

[Keyser_Soze]

27 minutes ago, ShreddieMercuryRising said:

I think what's also being lost in discussion is that the idea of taking "full advantage" of next gen hardware for most people seemingly comes down to frame rates

 

Yeah it would be nice for a next gen (Current gen) game to achieve at least 60 fps without any graphical compromises.

[crispy4000]

The longer that people get used to 60fps in the cross gen, the more they‘ll come to expect it going forward.

 

That’s not such a bad thing.  Those games that do stick to 30fps only are going to cause a lot of debate though.

[AbsolutSurgen]

Seem to remember Cerny talking about how the PS5 architecture would revolutionize game design.  

[SaysWho?]

40 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

Seem to remember Cerny talking about how the PS5 architecture would revolutionize game design.  

 

Nothing he said is incorrect.  

 

That publishers are still supporting last-gen has nothing to do with what game design is unlocked via current gen.

[AbsolutSurgen]

11 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

Nothing he said is incorrect.  

 

That publishers are still supporting last-gen has nothing to do with what game design is unlocked via current gen.

If the next gen architecture unlocks new game design potential -- you're clearly ignoring that potential if you're supporting last gen consoles.

 

That potential is what a lot of people were excited about.  So if they're not getting it, they're perfectly within their rights to be disappointed when it appears that what Sony was selling to them is not coming to fruition.

[best3444]

3 hours ago, legend said:

My guess is we'll see next-gen demanding games start showing up in 2023 -- long enough to have had a feel for the console and develop the game.

 

Yup. That's why I'm trying to be extremely patient and just enjoying my last gen consoles for as long as possible. This is nothing new. We will have many years of amazing gaming this generation. 

[SaysWho?]

4 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

If the next gen architecture unlocks new game design potential -- you're clearly ignoring that potential if you're supporting last gen consoles.

 

That potential is what a lot of people were excited about.  So if they're not getting it, they're perfectly within their rights to be disappointed when it appears that what Sony was selling to them is not coming to fruition.

 

Unless you put a ban on releasing games on any less powerful platform, any game will be "ignoring that potential." If you're fine playing Sackboy at 720p, then enjoy it on the PS4 and consider yourself not missing out. 

[AbsolutSurgen]

25 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

Unless you put a ban on releasing games on any less powerful platform, any game will be "ignoring that potential." If you're fine playing Sackboy at 720p, then enjoy it on the PS4 and consider yourself not missing out. 

People expected that the first party games to take advantage of the "full potential" of the console -- they're disappointed that it appears they won't.  Why is that so hard to understand?

I haven't booted my PS4 in over 2 years.

[Greatoneshere]

4 hours ago, ShreddieMercuryRising said:

I think what's also being lost in discussion is that the idea of taking "full advantage" of next gen hardware for most people seemingly comes down to graphics and frame rates alone.  Browsing through the God of War cross-gen talk, it's sad that what's getting people worked up is primarily the rock and tree moving sequences that hide load times.  Load times and shinier visuals are apparently as far as people's imaginations can extend in regard to the next generation of video games.  There's not much about the absolute dearth of game design innovation that we're experiencing.  We do seem to be at a point of diminishing returns, at least as far as AAA development is concerned.

 

This is so fucking true of AAA games. The lack of true innovation in game design is depressing. Games are still more or less in their same genres, tweaking things here or there but staying mostly the same. It's in indies that interesting game design is occuring. Returnal is an outlier as it's definitely trying new things but isn't quite AAA.