Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 'Tantalizing' results of 2 experiments defy physics rulebook APNEWS.COM Preliminary results from two experiments suggest something could be wrong with the basic way physicists think the universe works, a prospect that has the field of particle physics both baffled and... Quote “New particles, new physics might be just beyond our research,” said Wayne State University particle physicist Alexey Petrov. “It’s tantalizing.” The United States Energy Department’s Fermilab announced results Wednesday of 8.2 billion races along a track outside Chicago that while ho-hum to most people have physicists astir: The muons’ magnetic fields don’t seem to be what the Standard Model says they should be. This follows new results published last month from the European Center for Nuclear Research’s Large Hadron Collider that found a surprising proportion of particles in the aftermath of high-speed collisions. If confirmed, the U.S. results would be the biggest finding in the bizarre world of subatomic particles in nearly 10 years, since the discovery of the Higgs boson, often called the “God particle,” said Aida El-Khadra of the University of Illinois, who works on theoretical physics for the Fermilab experiment. Separately, at the world’s largest atom smasher at CERN, physicists have been crashing protons against each other there to see what happens after. One of the particle colliders’ several separate experiments measures what happens when particles called beauty or bottom quarks collide. The Standard Model predicts that these beauty quark crashes should result in equal numbers of electrons and muons. It’s sort of like flipping a coin 1,000 times and getting about equal numbers of heads and tails, said Large Hadron Collider beauty experiment chief Chris Parkes. But that’s not what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Some ‘science’ ya got there, physicists! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 When asked why I changed my major in college from physics, I'd usually point them to articles like this one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 26 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: When asked why I changed my major in college from physics, I'd usually point them to articles like this one Good call. Bunch of fools who think they can determine ‘objective reality’. The nerve! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 My favorite parts of articles like this are comments from the ohiogiuys of the world who go, “I knew it. Scientists are wrong all the time!” Also I’m stunned that the pic in the article is real and not something out of a modified Source engine. Yikes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chakoo Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 The results are quite interesting because science youtube has been talking a lot about the uncertainty with the current "standard model". Also just throwing this out there but if you haven't wasted hours on Fermilab's youtube channel I highly recommend it. There is the complex talks/presentation but they also have a few youtube shows that cover complex issues in a more simple manor. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD5B6VoXv41fJ-IW8Wrhz9A -edit- Also PBS Spacetime did an ep yesterday about the results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, Chris- said: Good call. Bunch of fools who think they can determine ‘objective reality’. The nerve! In college I unironically believed in this objective reality claptrap. I was dumb in college. Still am, but now I know I'm dumb. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 54 minutes ago, Chris- said: Some ‘science’ ya got there, physicists! Physicists are excited by the prospect of being wrong. Being right is boring! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jason said: Physicists are excited by the prospect of being wrong. Being right is boring! That's the other thing. Not only am I dumb but I hate being wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: That's the other thing. Not only am I dumb but I hate being wrong. congratulations on being normal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Just now, stepee said: congratulations on being normal Are you trying to say that the dispassionate freaks who "like being wrong" aren't normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Are you trying to say that the dispassionate freaks who "like being wrong" aren't normal? 100% 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 17 minutes ago, chakoo said: The results are quite interesting because science youtube has been talking a lot about the uncertainty with the current "standard model". Also just throwing this out there but if you haven't wasted hours on Fermilab's youtube channel I highly recommend it. There is the complex talks/presentation but they also have a few youtube shows that cover complex issues in a more simple manor. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD5B6VoXv41fJ-IW8Wrhz9A -edit- Also PBS Spacetime did an ep yesterday about the results came here to post this damn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Are you trying to say that the dispassionate freaks who "like being wrong" aren't normal? Better than being acute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Maybe it's strange, but charmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 I always forget that Jason was a physics major Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 There is an objective reality (insofar as we can cognitively establish one of course) it's just always a work in progress as we discover new shit that updates or changes the old shit we had already put down. It's the nature of science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 4 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I always forget that Jason was a physics major It was way more appealing than sticking it out in political studies. Spoiler One thing I hated was the sheer volume of reading, which has obviously translated to my habits on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jason said: It was way more appealing than sticking it out in political studies. Reveal hidden contents One thing I hated was the sheer volume of reading, which has obviously translated to my habits on here. I realized that I needed to get out of political science as a major when a) the economy collapsed in 08 and b) I basically cleaned up and reframed a post of mine from IGN and turned it in for a short assignment that was due. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Uaarkson Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 What’s the over/under on how this could affect dark matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 6 hours ago, Kal-El814 said: Also I’m stunned that the pic in the article is real and not something out of a modified Source engine. Yikes. So I'm not the only one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 8, 2021 Author Share Posted April 8, 2021 16 minutes ago, Uaarkson said: What’s the over/under on how this could affect dark matter? It could very well be related in some way: What if 70% of the universe isn't dark energy after all? - Futurity WWW.FUTURITY.ORG The findings of a new paper suggest dark energy might not account for nearly 70% of the ever-accelerating, expanding universe. Here are some recent dark matter-related articles: Scientists May Have Detected a Huge Collision Between Blobs of Dark Matter WWW.VICE.COM If confirmed, the collision between never-before-seen boson stars may solve the long search for the source of dark matter. Dark matter could be made of black holes from the beginning of time | Live Science WWW.LIVESCIENCE.COM An analysis of ripples in space-time suggests the mysterious substance consists of primordial black holes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 My head hurts now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Just when I was learning quantum physics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 8 hours ago, chakoo said: The results are quite interesting because science youtube has been talking a lot about the uncertainty with the current "standard model". Also just throwing this out there but if you haven't wasted hours on Fermilab's youtube channel I highly recommend it. There is the complex talks/presentation but they also have a few youtube shows that cover complex issues in a more simple manor. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD5B6VoXv41fJ-IW8Wrhz9A -edit- Also PBS Spacetime did an ep yesterday about the results Me, just about the entire video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 3 hours ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 2 hours ago, sblfilms said: Me, just about the entire video yeah I spent my time learning about the nature of reality, and you spent your time learning how to get fucking wealthy. I’d say you won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 Holy crap he's real 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 BRB, I’m storming up to my old high school and demanding they change my D in physics to an A because I wasn’t wrong, just ahead of the curve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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