Jason Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 http://www.cnbc.com//favicon.ico Uber and Lyft rise as investors expect California voters to pass Prop 22 WWW.CNBC.COM Investors expect California voters tomorrow to pass Proposition 22, which would allow the ride-sharing companies to maintain their business model. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazatron Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Well I voted against it. That headline tells you all you need to know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 People will unfortunately vote for convenience over labour rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 2, 2020 Author Share Posted November 2, 2020 Just now, CitizenVectron said: People will unfortunately vote for convenience over labour rights. The most batshit part of the proposition is that it requires 7/8ths of each chamber of the legislature to make any changes to it. Requiring 60% is one thing, but 87.5% is just nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Jason said: The most batshit part of the proposition is that it requires 7/8ths of each chamber of the legislature to make any changes to it. Requiring 60% is one thing, but 87.5% is just nuts. Almost as if the very companies this regulates had a say in writing the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I also voted no but it's also a confusing prop which is why I think some people are voting yes. Same with 23 the dialysis prop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 22 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: People will unfortunately vote for convenience over labour rights. Yup, asked a few cousins and friends that live out there, all will vote for Joe today, but they will also vote for 22. The rationale I've been given, they don't want to potentially take away jobs from people that want them, nor do they want to pay more for their rides. I'm sure the later is more important than the former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 23 hours ago, Jason said: The most batshit part of the proposition is that it requires 7/8ths of each chamber of the legislature to make any changes to it. Requiring 60% is one thing, but 87.5% is just nuts. This is enough to make me not vote for almost anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Passes. Glad I doubled down on my Uber position during the Covid Slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Spend $200m to get an increase in value of over $8b Love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Prop 22 passes in California, exempting Uber and Lyft from classifying drivers as employees WWW.MSN.COM In a major win for gig economy companies, CNN projects California voters have passed a costly and controversial ballot measure to exempt firms like Uber and Lyft from having to classify their gig workers in the state as employees rather than as independent contractors. Quote Robert Reich, a public policy professor at UC Berkeley and former Secretary of Labor in the Clinton administration who endorsed a No vote, told CNN Business last week that the outcome of the vote will be "very significant." "Uber and Lyft figure if they win in California they can win political fights in the rest of the states, and probably Congress," said Reich in an e-mail. "Labor unions recognize its importance as well. If Uber and Lyft win this, more employers around the country will classify more of their employees as contract workers. That would mean big savings to employers, since contract workers don't get Social Security or worker's compensation, minimum wage, or other labor protections. By the same token, workers would be disadvantaged." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Spend $200m to get an increase in value of over $8b Love it Make your money work for you, not work for the money, that should always be the goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 18 hours ago, Commodore D said: Yup, asked a few cousins and friends that live out there, all will vote for Joe today, but they will also vote for 22. The rationale I've been given, they don't want to potentially take away jobs from people that want them, nor do they want to pay more for their rides. I'm sure the later is more important than the former. I think you’re right. The yes on 22 propaganda was strong. I don’t even know if I saw one No on 22 commercial. They got fooled into bailing out million dollar corporations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Talked with some of my coworkers about this today and it seems like a lot of them just werent informed about prop 22 (not surprising considering the massive amounts of money pumped in from uber). I explained it to them and they seemed to regret voting yes on 22. They didnt even know uber and lyft were spending so much money on this. They just saw ads where it seemed like people would lose their jobs and were like ok that seems bad. I guess I should have been campaigning. @Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Did anyone actually think people would vote to raise the price of their Uber/Lyft rides? That was a non-starter. I'm not at all shocked to see those one win out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: Did anyone actually think people would vote to raise the price of their Uber/Lyft rides? That was a non-starter. I'm not at all shocked to see those one win out. This is a win for consumers. And for people who want a $15 ride from SNA to Disneyland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Just now, mclumber1 said: This is a win for consumers. And for people who want a $15 ride from SNA to Disneyland. It's also a loss for the workers since they don't really get much in the way of protections. The problem is that people don't vote to protect workers at the cost of goods. Sure, they'd vote to increase workers' wages, but they aren't going for added protecting. Most aren't going to connect the dots when it comes to something as nebulous as the difference between employee and contractor. That was an impossible hill to climb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share Posted November 5, 2020 3 hours ago, johnny said: Talked with some of my coworkers about this today and it seems like a lot of them just werent informed about prop 22 (not surprising considering the massive amounts of money pumped in from uber). I explained it to them and they seemed to regret voting yes on 22. They didnt even know uber and lyft were spending so much money on this. They just saw ads where it seemed like people would lose their jobs and were like ok that seems bad. I guess I should have been campaigning. @Jason Prop 15 also failed. @b_m_b_m_b_m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jason said: Prop 15 also failed. @b_m_b_m_b_m Fucking sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Jason said: Prop 15 also failed. @b_m_b_m_b_m California deserves everything it gets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share Posted November 5, 2020 2 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: California deserves everything it gets Ugh, it looks like three of the four incumbents who were up for reelection on the city council here got voted out. They're replaced with idiots like one guy who put in his candidate statement "our only skyscrapers should be palm trees" (these morons think anything over two stories is a skyscraper). FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK New housing development here is going to grind to a complete halt for at least the next several years because of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 "Fuck you, got mine" is the American slogan since 1800 or so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: "Fuck you, got mine" is the American slogan since 1800 or so. 1776 probably before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 1619 It's the most essential idea you can boil slavery down to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 17 hours ago, Jason said: Ugh, it looks like three of the four incumbents who were up for reelection on the city council here got voted out. They're replaced with idiots like one guy who put in his candidate statement "our only skyscrapers should be palm trees" (these morons think anything over two stories is a skyscraper). FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK New housing development here is going to grind to a complete halt for at least the next several years because of this. Paint all the new skyscrapers to look like palm trees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 jesus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Undermining workers in one sector leads to undermining them in all sectors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 On 11/5/2020 at 7:46 AM, CitizenVectron said: "Fuck you, got mine" is the American slogan since 1800 or so. wasn’t “fuck you, got mine” the GOP platform when Reagan ran? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Ah but they don't like it! Uber and Lyft drivers strike nationwide for better pay WWW.CBSNEWS.COM A driver-led group has asked both riders and drivers nationwide to boycott services like Uber and Lyft from midnight to midnight on Wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Listen the owners of these companies aren't going to be able to afford to get to space at this rate...get back to work! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsida Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Conspiracy Theorists: I never believed in global warming until I saw so many billionaires try to leave earth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 42 minutes ago, outsida said: Conspiracy Theorists: I never believed in global warming until I saw so many billionaires try to leave earth That's a good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 4 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: That's a good point. Elysium, G Gundam. Not sure what other scifi has a theme like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 8 hours ago, outsida said: Conspiracy Theorists: I never believed in global warming until I saw so many billionaires try to leave earth I mentioned to someone the other day about how many billionaires have bought land in New Zealand, she didn't believe it, so I brought proof. It was funny. To be fair, if I had that kind of money I'd probably own land on every continent, but there's a very specific reason billionaires want to buy land in New Zealand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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