b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, Joe said: There is a good chance it's going to be Perdue Warnock, which is just fucking bizarre to me. Election decided by black Republicans lol I have no other theory how this would otherwise work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Election decided by black Republicans lol I have no other theory how this would otherwise work People are morons and like to split their tickets to have a "balanced" split government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 What Jason said makes a lot of sense, though. I'm just sad for Ossoff because I don't see what his path is if he loses here and I really like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Joe said: What Jason said makes a lot of sense, though. I'm just sad for Ossoff because I don't see what his path is if he loses here and I really like him. Only makes sense because warnock is a better candidate, otherwise the opposite (ossoff and lol-feller votes) would balance out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Only makes sense because warnock is a better candidate, otherwise the opposite (ossoff and lol-feller votes) would balance out. As Jason said, Perdue is an incumbent. I'm sure that is a pretty large factor in his favor. Plus, he's a dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Joe said: As Jason said, Perdue is an incumbent. I'm sure that is a pretty large factor in his favor. Plus, he's a dude. And never forget the phrase eternal: "dudes rock" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iculus Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 The ads and phone calls are driving me fucking insane. My favorite ad so far is a supposed Biden voter that is voting R in the runoff for balance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, Iculus said: The ads and phone calls are driving me fucking insane. My favorite ad so far is a supposed Biden voter that is voting R in the runoff for balance... Honestly this is an effective line of attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 10 hours ago, Jason said: People are morons and like to split their tickets to have a "balanced" split government. this is true. people at work were saying how it’s ok if the dems don’t get control of the senate bc “balance” is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Have we ultimately learned that whoever controls the White House and the Senate is what counts and the House doesn't matter? It seems that the Senate majority leader ultimately controls the House, as well. The position of "Senate Majority Leader" is not in the Constitution. There wasn't one until 1925. Now that person basically controls the legislative power of the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Fizzzzle said: Have we ultimately learned that whoever controls the White House and the Senate is what counts and the House doesn't matter? It seems that the Senate majority leader ultimately controls the House, as well. The position of "Senate Majority Leader" is not in the Constitution. There wasn't one until 1925. Now that person basically controls the legislative power of the government. Controlling the purse strings would be pretty powerful if the Democrats had a sack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 17 hours ago, Jason said: People are morons and like to split their tickets to have a "balanced" split government. This is exactly my thought: a good number of runoff voters are going to check 1 Democrat and 1 Republican because “balance”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 7 hours ago, Fizzzzle said: Have we ultimately learned that whoever controls the White House and the Senate is what counts and the House doesn't matter? It seems that the Senate majority leader ultimately controls the House, as well. The position of "Senate Majority Leader" is not in the Constitution. There wasn't one until 1925. Now that person basically controls the legislative power of the government. I didn't know that about the majority leader position. Interesting, thanks. I'll say that they certainly mattered in the Obama years when Dems lost the House but kept the Senate. If Dems had the Senate but not the House, we still wouldn't have a bill heading toward the White House. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 What are the runoff polls looking like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: I didn't know that about the majority leader position. Interesting, thanks. I'll say that they certainly mattered in the Obama years when Dems lost the House but kept the Senate. If Dems had the Senate but not the House, we still wouldn't have a bill heading toward the White House. I think it's a problem regardless. You have one person who decides (albeit not with brute force, as they can be removed if they stray from party platform) what legislation is even voted on. Mitch McConnell has abused that power more than anyone else I can think of. Although I will admit, the Senate Majority leader acting as the keyholder to any legislation really started with Robert Byrd as the Democrat Majority Leader under the Reagan administration in the late 80's. What Mitch McConnell is is really an evolution of that. Though, that's just further evidence that exposes how much of our government is based on gentleman's agreements, not laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said: I think it's a problem regardless. You have one person who decides (albeit not with brute force, as they can be removed if they stray from party platform) what legislation is even voted on. Mitch McConnell has abused that power more than anyone else I can think of. Although I will admit, the Senate Majority leader acting as the keyholder to any legislation really started with Robert Byrd as the Democrat Majority Leader under the Reagan administration in the late 80's. What Mitch McConnell is is really an evolution of that. Though, that's just further evidence that exposes how much of our government is based on gentleman's agreements, not laws. Divided government is gonna do that, and it's why I continue to make to point to people that you're not going to get compromise with divided government; you'll just get nothing done and complain that Congress gets nothing done. I'd rather have the Senate, though, since that body picks the Cabinet and judges. But man, I remember the first two years of the Obama administration, much of the refrain was how the Senate should go and house we just should have a House to represent Americans. When Dems lost the House, that mindset went right out the window since the Senate didn't allow much of the crazy stuff from the House to get a vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 23 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: What are the runoff polls looking like? Pretty much what the general election looked like, toss up, but dems usually up by a point or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Pretty much what the general election looked like, toss up, but dems usually up by a point or 2. Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Fox gives Ossof 2 minutes of live air time to basically call Loeffler a racist, when they tried to get him to slip up about Warnock, he did not, lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 59 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Fox gives Ossof 2 minutes of live air time to basically call Loeffler a racist, when they tried to get him to slip up about Warnock, did not, lol. That was f’n awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 4 hours ago, Spork3245 said: Ugh. Senate Democrats’ Motion To Concede On $2,000 Checks - The Daily Poster WWW.DAILYPOSTER.COM How Democrats and Beltway pundits just helped Mitch McConnell undermine Bernie Sanders’ push for direct aid to millions of Americans facing eviction, starvation and bankruptcy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Ossof and Warnock are literally running on $2k checks and these fucks couldn't even wait a week to capitulate. Plus this lets the Perdue and Lolfer go back home to campaign if this goes through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Why do they suck so much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Abolish the Senate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Abolish treating an article written by David Sirota any different than a Daily Caller article. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Abolish missing the point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Am I missing something here? Schumer seems like he is very much still fighting for the bill and it still seems like Bernie is going to filibuster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Preventing moving forward on debate for the ndaa override was the only leverage to potentially get a vote. Filibustering the override (an override which is sure to pass) allows Mitch to call for cloture at the last moment before all legislation expires and no vote for the cash act will be held Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Preventing moving forward on debate for the ndaa override was the only leverage to potentially get a vote. Filibustering the override (an override which is sure to pass) allows Mitch to call for cloture at the last moment before all legislation expires and no vote for the cash act will be held But they're putting out strongly-worded tweets asking Mitch to be reasonable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 This still prevents Perdue and Loeffler from campaigning, yeah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Doubtful as the margin for passing the override (67) is probably an easier hurdle to meet than couture (60) on the cash act Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chris- Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 If Warnock and Ossoff both win then Stacey Abrams gets to stake claim to literally fucking anything she wants within the Democratic Party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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