Dodger Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Jose said: You oppose statehood for Puerto Rico? I support whatever they want, whether it's statehood or independence. 15 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Of the three things I mentioned, only one could be construed as trying to stack in favour of Democrats (PR statehood). The others simply increase the accuracy of representation and the efficiency of government. And PR statehood is only partisan if you believe that Puerto Ricans do not deserve representation. See, here's the thing. You guys support a whole bunch of things that just so happen would favor Democrats. But instead of coming out and admitting it would benefit the party you like, you hide behind about doing the right thing. Doing the right thing that happens to benefit you.. At least swineflufan can freely admit when he's supporting undermining his enemies. No one is going to lose respect for you saying hey let's do this because it will help us out, shit if anything you'd get more respect for being honest about it. You support PR statehood because they would reliably vote Democrat. you support expanding the house because you anticipate more democrats would get elected. If the opposite were true, you wouldn't support it. Don't hide behind this increasing democracy bullshit, because if it increased democracy for Republicans you wouldn't support it. Don't disrespect yourself by replying "Not unh!" like I know you will. 9 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: You're honestly a bigger hack than DVD for this contrived bullshit Oh fuck off, because any of you are unbiased impartial observers of objective reality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dodger said: I support whatever they want, whether it's statehood or independence. See, here's the thing. You guys support a whole bunch of things that just so happen would favor Democrats. But instead of coming out and admitting it would benefit the party you like, you hide behind about doing the right thing. Doing the right thing that happens to benefit you.. At least swineflufan can freely admit when he's supporting undermining his enemies. No one is going to lose respect for you saying hey let's do this because it will help us out, shit if anything you'd get more respect for being honest about it. You support PR statehood because they would reliably vote Democrat. you support expanding the house because you anticipate more democrats would get elected. If the opposite were true, you wouldn't support it. Don't hide behind this increasing democracy bullshit, because if it increased democracy for Republicans you wouldn't support it. Don't disrespect yourself by replying "Not unh!" like I know you will. Oh fuck off, because any of you are unbiased impartial observers of objective reality. Why do you act like you don't know they overwhelmingly support statehood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Just now, Dodger said: I support whatever they want, whether it's statehood or independence. See, here's the thing. You guys support a whole bunch of things that just so happen would favor Democrats. But instead of coming out and admitting it would benefit the party you like, you hide behind about doing the right thing. Doing the right thing that happens to benefit you.. At least swineflufan can freely admit when he's supporting undermining his enemies. No one is going to lose respect for you saying hey let's do this because it will help us out, shit if anything you'd get more respect for being honest about it. You support PR statehood because they would reliably vote Democrat. you support expanding the house because you anticipate more democrats would get elected. If the opposite were true, you wouldn't support it. Don't hide behind this increasing democracy bullshit, because if it increased democracy for Republicans you wouldn't support it. Don't disrespect yourself by replying "Not unh!" like I know you will. Oh fuck off, because any of you are unbiased impartial observers of objective reality. There's no such thing as impartial whatever the fuck you wanted to say. Would vastly expanding the house help the Democrats? Maybe, but only so far as the current coalition is packed into cities. There being such a limited number of seats that makes it easier to dilute the power of any voters, regardless of political affiliation from Republicans in MA to democrats in MS, or any voter in CA compared to the voting power of the lone rep from WY. The house is supposed to be the people's chamber, and it hasn't been expanded for a century. It's long overdue for expansion, and I've supported this long before the current crop of nimrods came to power in the White House. As for PR and DC? Yeah, DC will help Dems and that's about 40% of the reason I support statehood. The other being they pay US taxes, are citizens, and are not being represented in Congress at all. PR though, their nonvoting rep is a republican so I dunno what the fuck the benefit is there to statehood but it should be their choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dodger said: I support whatever they want, whether it's statehood or independence. See, here's the thing. You guys support a whole bunch of things that just so happen would favor Democrats. But instead of coming out and admitting it would benefit the party you like, you hide behind about doing the right thing. Doing the right thing that happens to benefit you.. At least swineflufan can freely admit when he's supporting undermining his enemies. No one is going to lose respect for you saying hey let's do this because it will help us out, shit if anything you'd get more respect for being honest about it. You support PR statehood because they would reliably vote Democrat. you support expanding the house because you anticipate more democrats would get elected. If the opposite were true, you wouldn't support it. Don't hide behind this increasing democracy bullshit, because if it increased democracy for Republicans you wouldn't support it. Don't disrespect yourself by replying "Not unh!" like I know you will. We can quibble over issues like PR statehood and things like that, but I genuinely do not care which party suffers/benefits winning 50% of the vote should not garner you 66% of a legislature. Period. This far surpasses partisanship for me because, at the end of the day, I genuinely think that keeping representation by the people is more important than that people who agree with me win this or that election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Dodger said: So "saving American democracy" for you is instead of stacking elections in favor of Republicans to stack it in favor of Democrats? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: This far surpasses partisanship for me because, at the end of the day, I genuinely think that keeping representation by the people is more important than that people who agree with me win this or that election. Reminds me of this quote (not supporting everything by the Atlantic and especially not David frum): "If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 31 minutes ago, Dodger said: Oh fuck off, because any of you are unbiased impartial observers of objective reality. There is no such thing as "objective reality". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 27 minutes ago, Jose said: Why do you act like you don't know they overwhelmingly support statehood? I assume they do, it's not really a hot button issue for me so I don't pay much attention to it. I just wouldn't want to make them a state if the majority opinion over there was like nah bro we're straight we like independence. I wouldn't force them to be a state against their will is all, although that doesn't appear to be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 @Dodger How can you with a straight face criticize people for not being transparent about their political beliefs and then say "I support whatever Puerto Rico wants" like they didnt just vote on it? What the fuck? Ok you just responded as I posted that. Maybe dont have opinions on issue you arent informed on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Just now, SFLUFAN said: There is no such thing as "objective reality". Of course there isn't, and at least you're the one person who can say yeah I support xyz because it advances my beliefs. I don't know why it's so hard for people to say yeah I support this because fuck Republicans, that's why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: Nah, he is a white male AFAIK. He gets it last, if ever, my man! ‘Murica indeed! But I'm not a rich white man. And I have a mental disability, so I'll probably be rounded up with the rest of the "undesirables" In 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 26 minutes ago, stepee said: lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 I still remember the users, after Scalia died, who said they liked the complexion of the current court and how centered it was despite the fact that it's been right-wing. Can you guys just admit that you have small penises? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 20 hours ago, sblfilms said: Reading through it now and I think the majority is “correct”, which points out the absolute absurdity of our system. There is no clear constitutional basis for the federal courts to intervene with regards to political party based gerrymandering. They could have said, and would be correct as well, that many aspects of political gerrymandering have been cover for racially biased maps. But score one for the GOP, they have ensured relevance for many decades to come The court can give themselves jurisdiction to decide a necessary constitutional question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Oh sorry didn't realize we had moved on to shitting on dodger. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 28, 2019 Author Share Posted June 28, 2019 Totally not racist doe: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 39 minutes ago, Jason said: Totally not racist doe: "Strictly for partisan advantage" is gonna be the new sexy way to discriminate on the basis of race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 "Yes we discriminated against blacks, but they are primarily Democrats so it's okay" Old white judges: "I see nothing wrong with this." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 So how long before Republicans start allocating Electoral Votes based on gerrymandered Congressional Districts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: So how long before Republicans start allocating Electoral Votes based on gerrymandered Congressional Districts? Maine and Nebraska. This is why we hundreds more reps in the house. If gerrymandering has such a huge effect, dilute its effects. The solution to pollution is dilution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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