Jwheel86 Posted April 20, 2022 Posted April 20, 2022 Computerized optic: Back to a Battle Rifle, Sig beat out a polymer cased round. Quote
Zaku3 Posted April 20, 2022 Posted April 20, 2022 "I am NATO." United States (probably) ArmA3 needs a patch. 8 was told 6.5mm caseless. Quote
Jwheel86 Posted April 20, 2022 Author Posted April 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: What the heck?!? See the chamber pressure? She's spicy. Quote
CayceG Posted April 20, 2022 Posted April 20, 2022 If we're going to 6.8 what happens to the rest of the NATO standard 5.56? This seems... like not a good choice. Quote
Jwheel86 Posted April 20, 2022 Author Posted April 20, 2022 14 minutes ago, CayceG said: If we're going to 6.8 what happens to the rest of the NATO standard 5.56? This seems... like not a good choice. This is replacing both 5.56 and 7.62 NATO for Brigade Combat Teams, M4 will still be issued to POGs, The Army also issued an RFP to convert M240s to 6.8mm. In theory any 7.62 NATO weapon can fire 6.8mm with a barrel change, BUT the sig chamber pressures are so crazy they'll blow up. The TV polymer round runs at normal pressure and would have been an easier swap, but would break the industrial base. Quote
CayceG Posted April 20, 2022 Posted April 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: This is replacing both 5.56 and 7.62 NATO for Brigade Combat Teams, M4 will still be issued to POGs, The Army also issued an RFP to convert M240s to 6.8mm. In theory any 7.62 NATO weapon can fire 6.8mm with a barrel change, BUT the sig chamber pressures are so crazy they'll blow up. The TV polymer round runs at normal pressure and would have been an easier swap, but would break the industrial based. Man, the MIC must be jumping for joy over this one. Quote
Jwheel86 Posted April 20, 2022 Author Posted April 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said: Whatever happened to the XM8? IIRC the receivers cracked during cold weather testing. The other attempts to replace the M4 with a 5.56 gun all came back as not worth it. Quote
Jwheel86 Posted April 20, 2022 Author Posted April 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, CayceG said: Man, the MIC must be jumping for joy over this one. This bigger mg in 338 norma magnum also might replace the M240 (already has for SOCOM). Sniper in 338 too Quote
CayceG Posted April 20, 2022 Posted April 20, 2022 I'm not really that interested or knowledgeable in firearms, but those things look rad as fuck. Quote
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 20, 2022 Posted April 20, 2022 The next gen of school shooting weapons is here 🇺🇸 1 1 Quote
silentbob Posted April 20, 2022 Posted April 20, 2022 So when do these go on sale for true Americans You know the ones that must defend themselves at home from other Americans who also probably bought the same gun to protect themselves with. It’s pretty much like Spy Vs Spy setting down there already Quote
Zaku3 Posted April 20, 2022 Posted April 20, 2022 1 hour ago, CayceG said: If we're going to 6.8 what happens to the rest of the NATO standard 5.56? This seems... like not a good choice. C.R.E.A.M. for the MIC and other NATO states will probably take our lead and go 6.8mm. Quote
Jwheel86 Posted April 20, 2022 Author Posted April 20, 2022 32 minutes ago, silentbob said: So when do these go on sale for true Americans You know the ones that must defend themselves at home from other Americans who also probably bought the same gun to protect themselves with. It’s pretty much like Spy Vs Spy setting down there already Already on sale for $8k, but with a lower pressure cartridge so the gun doesn't explode when you shoot an intruder 3 houses over through your neighbors walls. MCX SPEAR - 277 SIG FURY | SIG SAUER MCX series of rifles WWW.SIGSAUER.COM First Production Run Special Edition Now Available at Select Dealers MSRP: $7999.00 Quote
mclumber1 Posted April 20, 2022 Posted April 20, 2022 It's the "first edition" or whatever, so the price is insanely high, but within a few years it should come done to more affordable levels. I doubt it will be as cheap as a mil-spec AR-15, due to the fact that Sig will have a monopoly on the design for years to come. Quote
Brick Posted April 20, 2022 Posted April 20, 2022 I don't know what any of this means, and whether those specifications are good or bad, so uh...how long before I can use these in Call of Duty and Battlefield, I guess? Quote
Fizzzzle Posted April 20, 2022 Posted April 20, 2022 Can someone ELI5 the significance of NATO and 5.56 rounds? Are all NATO countries supposed to use the same size? Quote
SoberChef Posted April 20, 2022 Posted April 20, 2022 29 minutes ago, Brick said: I don't know what any of this means, and whether those specifications are good or bad, so uh...how long before I can use these in Call of Duty and Battlefield, I guess? They didn't have these in the Future Combat Warfare games? Quote
Anathema- Posted April 20, 2022 Posted April 20, 2022 If I'm reading this right, 6.8 is BIGGER than 5.56. Good job, army. Quote
PaladinSolo Posted April 20, 2022 Posted April 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Brick said: I don't know what any of this means, and whether those specifications are good or bad, so uh...how long before I can use these in Call of Duty and Battlefield, I guess? Basically its a middle ground between 5.56 and 7.62 to increase stopping power over the 5.56 without overly compromising weight like the 7.62, the obvious downside is no one else uses this so they'd also have to adopt the round or US troops will only be able to use their ammo on the battlefield or take enemy weapons. Quote
Jwheel86 Posted April 20, 2022 Author Posted April 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Brick said: I don't know what any of this means, and whether those specifications are good or bad, so uh...how long before I can use these in Call of Duty and Battlefield, I guess? It's already in Battlefield 2042 4 hours ago, Fizzzzle said: Can someone ELI5 the significance of NATO and 5.56 rounds? Are all NATO countries supposed to use the same size? If you're in NATO your country can use any standard issue rifle so long as it is in 5.56x45 or 7.62x51 NATO, simplifies wartime logistics, same with 9mm for pistols. Funny thing is a whole bunch of NATO countries just bought new 5.56 rifles. Quote
Fizzzzle Posted April 20, 2022 Posted April 20, 2022 So.... now all the other NATO states are going to have to buy a whole bunch of new 6.8 rifles and a whole lot of weapons manufacturers are going to get even more rich? ... Sounds about right. Quote
CitizenVectron Posted April 20, 2022 Posted April 20, 2022 In my head the main US rifle is the M16 and it will remains so until the day I die. M16 = US, AK-47 = bad guys 3 Quote
PaladinSolo Posted April 20, 2022 Posted April 20, 2022 24 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: In my head the main US rifle is the M16 and it will remains so until the day I die. M16 = US, AK-47 = bad guys The M-4 has mostly replaced the M-16, and the AK-74 the AK-47, and both of those are now being replaced. Quote
mclumber1 Posted April 20, 2022 Posted April 20, 2022 29 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said: So.... now all the other NATO states are going to have to buy a whole bunch of new 6.8 rifles and a whole lot of weapons manufacturers are going to get even more rich? ... Sounds about right. I don't think there is a requirement that they do so. It's not like 5.56 would cease to be produced - the civilian market alone for this ammunition is huge, which means manufacturers around the world will continue to pump out millions upon millions of rounds every year. If the Italian army (or whoever) wants to continue to use 5.56, I'm sure they'll be able to do so for decades. If anything, first adopters of the new rifle and round will have issues with getting enough of the ammo that they need, not the countries that choose to hold off on switching. Quote
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