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Afghanistan Update: Islamic State claims responsibility for multiple bombings over last two days, including two Shia mosques

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According to all the DoD sources I've seen, all the weapons and vehicles were 'rendered inoperable.'

 

I do not know the specifics of what that means, but I cannot wait to see a C-RAM on the back of a Hilux. 

 

 

 

This is a C-RAM, by the way:

 

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3 hours ago, CayceG said:

According to all the DoD sources I've seen, all the weapons and vehicles were 'rendered inoperable.'

 

I do not know the specifics of what that means, but I cannot wait to see a C-RAM on the back of a Hilux. 

 

 

 

This is a C-RAM, by the way:

 

 

That thing is probably already on it's way to China to test out their missiles against. 

 

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1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

I don't get it?

 

He called you a Stan. This song "Stan" coined the phrase. If you could hear the song maybe you'ld know it means an obsessive fan who's so obsessed he would drive himself and wife and kids off a bridge because he's such a huge fan of a person who upset him.

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12 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said:

There was never any other possible outcome to Afghanistan. 


The Taliban asked the Biden admin if they wanted to keep control of Kabul to facilitate the withdrawal process. They declined. There certainly were other and better ways to handle the withdrawal.

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PaladinSolo

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11 minutes ago, sblfilms said:


The Taliban asked the Biden admin if they wanted to keep control of Kabul to facilitate the withdrawal process. They declined. There certainly were other and better ways to handle the withdrawal.

This was only discussed because the city was spiraling out of control once Ghani fled the country and government workers quit showing up to work including police, they made the right decision, US military policing a city while evacuating would have been a disaster.  The plan was to have a transfer of power and the Taliban weren't going to enter the city but Ghani fucked it all up.

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Just now, PaladinSolo said:

This was only discussed because the city was spiraling out of control once Ghani fled the country and government workers quit showing up to work including police, they made the right decision, US military policing a city while evacuating would have been a disaster.


This was only an issue because they decided to pull troops first. What helped restore order and allow the evacuation to move forward?

 

Sending more troops back in.

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They didn't have the manpower to keep control of Kabul. We had 2,500 troops over there.

 

There was no good way out. Could it have gone better? Yes, it sure could have, but we're out and that's what is important.

 

Biden Death Count:

Americans 13

Afghanis: 200ish

 

The other 3 guys

Americans: 2,500

Afghanis: 250,000

 

But hey, Biden, Biden, Biden!!!

 

I don;'t even like Biden that much, but I applaud him for having the courage to rip the band-aid off. It was going to suck regardless.

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SaysWho?

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I feel like reporters were doubting heavily and openly that we were gonna evacuate even close to everyone by August 31.

 

Unfortunately, a lot of what I caught was fleeting, so I'm not eliminating the chance I heard wrong.

 

That said, I don't see any hypocrisy in this thread. Here's SFLUFAN and b_m and Jason in the thread here when Trump started negotiating a withdrawal:

 

On 8/1/2019 at 7:20 PM, Jason said:

So this ends with the Taliban controlling Afghanistan?

 

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED 

 

On 8/1/2019 at 10:41 PM, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

It was never going to end any other way.

 

It was always just a matter of how much blood would be spilled getting there.

 

On 8/1/2019 at 11:43 PM, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Ending this war should get Obama's Nobel revoked and transferred to Trump. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd pay really, really good money to put him on the stage in Oslo with no prepared remarks. 

 

I'm not seeing much of a difference, honestly. Negotiating this was probably the only thing I really thought Trump did that was a good idea.

 

The hypocrisy I see is honestly of anyone that supported Bush after 4000 people died on our own soil on 9/11, who is mad at Biden about the terrorist attack. To this day, I'm amazed at how many people thought Benghazi was a legitimate investigation, or that this warrants the outrage it is, who weren't also breaking down with anger all day, every day at the worst terrorist attack in history that happened within our borders that started the war that lasted 20 years and is the reason why we had to evacuate in the first place.

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7 minutes ago, ort said:

I don;'t even like Biden that much, but I applaud him for having the courage to rip the band-aid off. It was going to suck regardless.


Based on what? 

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PaladinSolo

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12 minutes ago, sblfilms said:


This was only an issue because they decided to pull troops first. What helped restore order and allow the evacuation to move forward?

 

Sending more troops back in.

Yeah, US military policing a city to do an evacuation with the Taliban sitting outside and ISIS working among all of this would have been way better, lol.

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2 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

I feel like reporters were doubting heavily and openly that we were gonna evacuate even close to everyone by August 31.

 

Unfortunately, a lot of what I caught was fleeting, so I'm not eliminating the chance I heard wrong.

 

That said, I don't see any hypocrisy in this thread. Here's SFLUFAN and b_m and Jason in the thread here when Trump started negotiating a withdrawal:

 

 

 

 

I'm not seeing much of a difference, honestly. Negotiating this was probably the only thing I really thought Trump did that was a good idea.

 

The hypocrisy I see is honestly of anyone that supported Bush after 4000 people died on our own soil on 9/11, who is mad at Biden about the terrorist attack. To this day, I'm amazed at how many people thought Benghazi was a legitimate investigation, or that this warrants the outrage it is, who weren't also breaking down with anger all day, every day at the worst terrorist attack in history that happened within our borders that started the war that lasted 20 years and is the reason why we had to evacuate in the first place.

Give the Nobel to Biden,

 

I'm now quite convinced trump would have gotten cold feet or the last person in the room to talk to him would be some right wing hawk and we would still be there, or he would have massively overreacted to the ISIS attack at the gates

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3 minutes ago, sblfilms said:


This was only an issue because they decided to pull troops first. What helped restore order and allow the evacuation to move forward?

 

Sending more troops back in.

 

The troops that were pulled weren't holding Kabul AFAIK, they were most at Bagram. Once the government collapsed, it took 7 infantry battalions (plus the Turks and Brits) to hold the airport. Preventing looting in Kabul would have taken WAY more and without the perimeter to keep suicide bombers back. 

 

The only thing I think that could have been done differently was using Bagram as leverage. Tell the Taliban that we'll be finished when we're finished or we'll retake Bagram and keep it indefinitely (look at all the pressure our President is under on CNN).

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18 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said:

 

The troops that were pulled weren't holding Kabul AFAIK, they were most at Bagram. Once the government collapsed, it took 7 infantry battalions (plus the Turks and Brits) to hold the airport. Preventing looting in Kabul would have taken WAY more and without the perimeter to keep suicide bombers back. 

 

The only thing I think that could have been done differently was using Bagram as leverage. Tell the Taliban that we'll be finished when we're finished or we'll retake Bagram and keep it indefinitely (look at all the pressure our President is under on CNN).


Correct, it is a series of missteps, not a single bad decision. The only thing that helped make evacuation work was having more US military personnel on the ground. That should have been the route taken the entire time, but for reasons we probably won’t learn for a while, the administration was opposed to increasing troop levels in any way until their hand was forced.

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1 hour ago, sblfilms said:


Based on what? 

 

The last 20 years? I don't know if there was a way to do this better. I'm sure there was. He had a lot of bad options and bad intelligence.

 

I'm not a military strategist. I'm not an expert on Afghanistan and I don't want to be. I just hate wars, I hate our never-ending meddling in the Middle East affairs and I am very happy we are out.

 

The Taliban was going to retake the country no matter what we did. This bitter failure is not on Biden. Perhaps the chaotic ending is, but whining at him about that feels silly to me. He's the only one who actually ended this 20-year slow motion clusterfuck and rather than second guess every detail I'm just happy we're out of there.

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Commissar SFLUFAN

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This was a very pragmatic (by necessity, I suppose) approach by both sides:

 

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Taliban members escorted Americans to gates at Kabul airport in secret arrangement with US - CNNPolitics

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The US military negotiated a secret arrangement with the Taliban that resulted in Taliban members escorting groups of Americans to the gates of the Kabul airport as they sought to escape Afghanistan, according to two defense officials.

 

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The US military negotiated a secret arrangement with the Taliban that resulted in Taliban members escorting groups of Americans to the gates of the Kabul airport as they sought to escape Afghanistan, according to two defense officials.

 

One of the officials also revealed that US special operations forces set up a "secret gate" at the airport and established "call centers" to guide Americans through the evacuation process.

 

The officials said Americans were notified to gather at pre-set "muster points" close to the airport where the Taliban would gather the Americans, check their credentials and take them a short distance to a gate manned by American forces who were standing by to let them inside amid huge crowds of Afghans seeking to flee.

 

 

 

There have been so many agreements between US forces and the Taliban that it wouldn't surprise me to learn that some guys have even exchanged personal email addresses to keep in touch.

 

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