Joe Biden beats Donald Trump, officially making Trump a one-term twice impeached, twice popular-vote losing president

[RedSoxFan9]

 

giant piece of shit is not running for president 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

2 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

giant piece of shit is not running for president 

So why do we hate him now?

[Jason]

Kamala Harris is open to compromise on private insurers' role during 'Medicare for all' push

[Jason]

15 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

So why do we hate him now?

 

I'm in Santa Monica not LA so I don't pay as much attention to him as I would if I lived in LA City, but basically a lot of people consider him a pretty empty suit who's just been using the mayorship as a jumping-off point for a presidential run.

[RedSoxFan9]

8 minutes ago, Jason said:

Kamala Harris is open to compromise on private insurers' role during 'Medicare for all' push

 

It didn’t take her long to water down M4A

[RedSoxFan9]

 

kamala “hillary” harris mocking criminal justice reform

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

25 minutes ago, Jason said:

Kamala Harris is open to compromise on private insurers' role during 'Medicare for all' push

Honestly, just opening up Medicare/Medicaid so anyone can enroll (then change payroll/capital gain taxes across the board to pay for it) seems like one of the best options forward. Would be a truly public option, and eventually everyone would make it in, or their private insurance would cover them if that method is better for them (they'd still have to pay the taxes though)

[mclumber1]

28 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Honestly, just opening up Medicare/Medicaid so anyone can enroll (then change payroll/capital gain taxes across the board to pay for it) seems like one of the best options forward. Would be a truly public option, and eventually everyone would make it in, or their private insurance would cover them if that method is better for them (they'd still have to pay the taxes though)

 

I would also make it to where if employers want to offer private insurance, they can, but there is no tax write-off if they do so.  Instead, employers would be encouraged to give their employees a monthly payment that can be used to either purchase their own private insurance on the open market, or enroll in Medicare.  

[Anathema-]

1 hour ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

It didn’t take her long to water down M4A

 

I know this is going to hurt you but this is the majority opinion. A solution that is solely public health insurance is an issue that’s under water. 

[Jwheel86]

1 hour ago, Anathema- said:

 

I know this is going to hurt you but this is the majority opinion. A solution that is solely public health insurance is an issue that’s under water. 

Let the Republicans be the ones to offer compromise, Democrats need to stop negotiating with themselves. 

 

Part of the issue is many people don't understand that under Medicare you still need Supplemental or Advantage to cover the other 20% Medicare doesn't cover. And you pay a premium for both coverages. Put everyone under Medicare then give private options for the other 20% (Supplemental, Advantage, Medicaid). Taxes cover the 80%, individuals cover the 20%.

[Anathema-]

Okay that still doesn't make completely replacing private healthcare popular. It's not.

[SaysWho?]

Michael Bloomberg: Medicare-for-all 'would bankrupt us for a very long time'

 

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"I think we could never afford that," Bloomberg said, addressing pin factory employees in Nashua, New Hampshire. "We are talking about trillions of dollars."

"I think you could have Medicare-for-all for people who are uncovered, but that's a smaller group," he added. "But to replace the entire private system where companies provide health care for their employees would bankrupt us for a very long time."

Bloomberg made the comments after Democratic presidential candidate California Sen. Kamala Harris voiced her support for the policy Monday night at a CNN town hall and specifically said private insurance as we know it would have to end.

Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz, who is weighing a possible 2020 run as an independent candidate, said Tuesday that Harris' comments supporting the end of private insurance were "not American."

 

[RedSoxFan9]

Democrats are the worst negotiators.  After a day of criticism, Harris caved. 

[CitizenVectron]

I mean, clearly you can have universal insurance and simply change private payments to tax payments. People saying otherwise are lying.

[Anathema-]

25 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

I mean, clearly you can have universal insurance and simply change private payments to tax payments. People saying otherwise are lying.

 

It could be sold to the American people no doubt. Not sure I can criticize the only people who have a real chance of unseating trump, though, for taking majoritarian positions. Leave details to the legislature (where it should be anyway). 

[SaysWho?]

Gabbard denies her presidential campaign is in ‘disarray’ after online report

 

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But Gabbard’s spokesperson says that’s simply not true.

 

She says her campaign manager is a friend, who will continue to advise her, and the consulting firm had a contract that’s due to expire.

 

What a way to kind of (since it hasn't officially launched) start a campaign.

[Anathema-]

52 minutes ago, Anathema- said:

 

It could be sold to the American people no doubt. Not sure I can criticize the only people who have a real chance of unseating trump, though, for taking majoritarian positions. Leave details to the legislature (where it should be anyway). 

 

To that point:

 

 

[skillzdadirecta]

8 hours ago, Jwheel86 said:

Let the Republicans be the ones to offer compromise, Democrats need to stop negotiating with themselves. 

 

Part of the issue is many people don't understand that under Medicare you still need Supplemental or Advantage to cover the other 20% Medicare doesn't cover. And you pay a premium for both coverages. Put everyone under Medicare then give private options for the other 20% (Supplemental, Advantage, Medicaid). Taxes cover the 80%, individuals cover the 20%.

 

Republicans DID offer a compromise... it was The Individual Mandate and what eventually became Obamacare. The Individual Mandate was a REPUBLICAN idea and was their alternative to single payer.  They turned on it once Obama embraced it and made it part of the Affordable Care Act. So why trust them to come up with a good faith compromise when the only thing they seem to be willing to compromise on is their principles.

[Jwheel86]

3 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

 

Republicans DID offer a compromise... it was The Individual Mandate and what eventually became Obamacare. The Individual Mandate was a REPUBLICAN idea and was their alternative to single payer.  They turned on it once Obama embraced it and made it part of the Affordable Care Act. So why trust them to come up with a good faith compromise when the only thing they seem to be willing to compromise on is their principles.

Republicans idea right until Obama embraced it. Had Obama gone hard for Medicare for All, then the Republicans might have offered the ACA as their alternative, but embracing ACA in hope that the Republicans will go along doesn't work because it robs them of a political win. If the scary Black Socialist President offers a moderate solution, then it's no longer a moderate solution politically. 

[Jason]

1 hour ago, SaysWho? said:

 

Gabbard denies her presidential campaign is in ‘disarray’ after online report

 

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But Gabbard’s spokesperson says that’s simply not true.

 

She says her campaign manager is a friend, who will continue to advise her, and the consulting firm had a contract that’s due to expire.

 

What a way to kind of (since it hasn't officially launched) start a campaign.

 

"NO CHAOS! WELL-OILED MACHINE!"

[SaysWho?]

So with this talk about Howard Schultz being afraid of AOC -- and more rich assholes like him should be scared of former bartenders, tbh -- it reminds me of Lewis Black's first HBO special. He talked about the corruption and greed in WorldCom, Tyco, Global Crossing, and Adelphia in the early 2000s. A lot of these guys stole money from their own companies, used it for stuff like a $20,000 umbrella stand, and he said, "I never understood what the people of France chopped of Marie Antoinette's head. Now I fucking GET IT!"

 

The older I get, the more I love that line.

[mclumber1]

 

 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Just now, mclumber1 said:

 

 

If only this standard was in place with a certain other "billionaire" presidential candidate

[SaysWho?]

5 minutes ago, mclumber1 said:

 

 

 

His fav president in the past 50 years is Ronald Reagan.

 

That'll be very attractive to Democrats.

[Joe]

His brain seems as burnt as his coffee beans.

 

 

 

 

[nublood]

I like how Kamala Harris champions herself to fix the division in this country, then proceeds to call Trump voters "the lowest common denominator of people" during her town hall on CNN.

 

Taking the Hillary approach to winning over the people I see.

 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

13 minutes ago, nublood said:

I like how Kamala Harris champions herself to fix the division in this country, then proceeds to call Trump voters "the lowest common denominator of people" during her town hall on CNN.

 

Taking the Hillary approach to winning over the people I see.

 

I mean...some really are

[nublood]

26 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

I mean...some really are

 

Indeed they are. But if one of you're selling points is healing the division in this country, you probably need to steer clear of condescending and insulting American people like Hillary did. Unless, you're really only trying to appeal to your demographic of choice. Then by all means, keep doing what you're doing.

[marioandsonic]

38 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

I mean...some really are

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

It's beyond the capability of any politician to heal the divisions in this country. The best they can do is tone down the rhetoric and push for policies that help people.

[SaysWho?]

21 minutes ago, nublood said:

 

Indeed they are. But if one of you're selling points is healing the division in this country, you probably need to steer clear of condescending and insulting American people like Hillary did. Unless, you're really only trying to appeal to your demographic of choice. Then by all means, keep doing what you're doing.

 

We're under a president right now who insults Democrats as mobs and says we don't have time to be PC.

 

Also, I feel like this would have been big news since the news likes narratives like this and loved Romney's "47%" remark and Hillary's "deplorable" remark: are you sure she didn't say he attracts some of the lowest people while describing neo-Nazis and KKK folk who show up at rallies like the one in Charlottesville?

 

EDIT:

 

Oh, that's why nobody cared about the comment:

"And the people of our country, the families of our country, deserve to have leaders who are focused on their needs, their immediate needs, their long-term needs, the hopes and aspirations they have for their children and grandchildren, and speak to that as opposed to speak to the lowest common denominators and base instincts, and speak in a way that is about inciting fear as a distraction from the fact you're getting nothing done, except helping the richest people and the biggest corporations."

 

Attacking a politician like Trump for appealing to the worst of people's emotions or the "lowest common denominator" is a pretty common thing to do.

[CitizenVectron]

Just now, SaysWho? said:

Oh, that's why nobody cared about the comment:

"And the people of our country, the families of our country, deserve to have leaders who are focused on their needs, their immediate needs, their long-term needs, the hopes and aspirations they have for their children and grandchildren, and speak to that as opposed to speak to the lowest common denominators and base instincts, and speak in a way that is about inciting fear as a distraction from the fact you're getting nothing done, except helping the richest people and the biggest corporations."

 

Attacking a politician like Trump for appealing to the worst of people's emotions or the "lowest common denominator" is a pretty common thing to do.

 

@nublood So she didn't call Trump supporters that at all. Where did you read that she did? Sounds like some right-wing clickbait.

[Chris-]

1 hour ago, nublood said:

I like how Kamala Harris champions herself to fix the division in this country, then proceeds to call Trump voters "the lowest common denominator of people" during her town hall on CNN.

 

Taking the Hillary approach to winning over the people I see.

 

 

Yes, the true approach to winning over people is by feuding with Gold Star families, mocking Vietnam POWs, referring to women as 'dog' or 'horse faced' (among many other appearance-based insults), bragging about how your celebrity allows you to 'grab them by the pussy' and 'move on them like a bitch', mocking disabled reporters, and in general acting like a juvenile and petulant piece of shit. 

 

Please, tell us more about Kamala Harris is a meanie jerk.

[skillzdadirecta]

2 hours ago, mclumber1 said:

 

 

 

If I get my cereal when it's on yellow tag sale at Rite Aid, two boxes of Honey Nut Cheerios are five bucks.

[skillzdadirecta]

29 minutes ago, Chris- said:

 

Yes, the true approach to winning over people is by feuding with Gold Star families, mocking Vietnam POWs, referring to women as 'dog' or 'horse faced' (among many other appearance-based insults), bragging about how your celebrity allows you to 'grab them by the pussy' and 'move on them like a bitch', mocking disabled reporters, and in general acting like a juvenile and petulant piece of shit. 

 

Please, tell us more about Kamala Harris is a meanie jerk.

 

I love how everyone else is held to a standard Trump seems exempt from. He literally has no interest in governing or do anything for anyone other than his base... which tend to be the lowest common denominators of the electorate.