Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 What We, the Taliban, Want by Sirajuddin Haqqani Quote We did not choose our war with the foreign coalition led by the United States. We were forced to defend ourselves. The withdrawal of foreign forces has been our first and foremost demand. That we today stand at the threshold of a peace agreement with the United States is no small milestone. For reference, he is the head of the infamous "Haqqani network" which operated with the support of Pakistan's ISI (and previously the CIA ) Also, this op-ed has ticked off the NYT's senior correspondent in Afghanistan: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 "We did not choose our war", uh yeah you kind of did when you decided to fly airplanes into buildings killing 3000 people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share Posted February 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, Brick said: "We did not choose our war", uh yeah you kind of did when you decided to fly airplanes into buildings killing 3000 people. That wasn't the Taliban 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: That wasn't the Taliban They sheltered and partly supplied those that did though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, GeneticBlueprint said: They sheltered and partly supplied those that did though. Absolutely! I just thought it was important to make the distinction between AQ and the Taliban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I mean yeah, but like, they're pretty much teammates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 I suppose it’s better late than never... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 It’s truly an historic day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Trump the Peacemaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share Posted February 29, 2020 Trump more deserving of the Nobel Peace Prize than Obama officially confirmed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 I guess we negotiate with terrorists. That's news to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Reputator said: I guess we negotiate with terrorists. That's news to me. That’s only referring to governments not paying out money to hostage takers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 27 minutes ago, Reputator said: I guess we negotiate with terrorists. That's news to me. 18 minutes ago, sblfilms said: That’s only referring to governments not paying out money to hostage takers. Both of these things should be on the table unless circumstances dictate that they are not worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share Posted February 29, 2020 There are real and substantive differences between negotiating with the Taliban -- a group that does have "legitimacy" among a not-insignificant portion of the Afghan population -- and negotiating with groups like al-Qaeda and the Islamic State. I would compare this with the Good Friday Peace Accords between the UK government and the IRA -- an ostensibly "terrorist group" that had legitimacy among the Catholic population in Northern Ireland -- which ended "The Troubles" after 30 years and over 3,000 lives lost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexy_shapiro Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 After his “deal” with North Korea, I’m surprised that there isn’t more skepticism in this thread. But yeah, cool, if it sticks then this is undoubtedly a good thing. IF is a bit word here, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 It’s time to at least try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 In his Coronavirus press conference just now, President Trump said he would soon be meeting with the Taliban leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 3 hours ago, CayceG said: Both of these things should be on the table unless circumstances dictate that they are not worth it. The creation of that policy, and it was effectively the policy of the entire western world, was that paying ransoms actually increased the number of hijackings and hostage situations because governments just kept paying and they had nearly unlimited resources to do so. When the global community agreed to stop paying ransoms, the number of hostage situations decreased dramatically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 So in a few days when the Taliban violate this agreement, Orange the Great and Powerful will look the other way and say it is going well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Well lets be real here, the agreement is we're gonna leave and they can do whatever they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Sounds like a job for the CIA. Let’s get an Afghan president that will play ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: Sounds like a job for the CIA. Let’s get an Afghan president that will play ball. Maybe the Afghan president would have been willing to play ball if we'd bothered to invite him to the negotiations about the war happening in his own country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jason said: Maybe the Afghan president would have been willing to play ball if we'd bothered to invite him to the negotiations about the war happening in his own country. He can't say no if he's not there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Theres really no point in asking a dead man his opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share Posted March 1, 2020 33 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Theres really no point in asking a dead man his opinion. Or one whose authority barely reaches the city limits of Kabul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Taliban end partial truce as Afghan violence resumes THE BEST DEALS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 On 2/29/2020 at 8:51 AM, SFLUFAN said: I would compare this with the Good Friday Peace Accords between the UK government and the IRA -- an ostensibly "terrorist group" that had legitimacy among the Catholic population in Northern Ireland -- which ended "The Troubles" after 30 years and over 3,000 lives lost. This aged well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 3, 2020 Author Share Posted March 3, 2020 Just now, Jason said: This aged well. Today's bombing really doesn't change the overall context of my analogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Too bad. They can already campaign on successfully passing a peace agreement with the Taliban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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