Biden told Latino lawmakers to expect executive action on waiving most (if not all) student debt, extending DACA and TPS for some immigrants

[CitizenVectron]

Biden discusses immigration issues with Congressional Hispanic Caucus

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Biden also told Hispanic lawmakers he's looking at options to forgive most student debt for those with federally-backed loans.

 

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Notably, members left the meeting believing the president will sign an executive order extending the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program for five more years — a big caucus priority.

 

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Mr. Biden also told the Hispanic lawmakers that he's looking at different options to forgive most, if not all, student debt for those with federally-backed loans. The White House didn't respond to requests for comment late Monday.

 

[Zaku3]

He needs to let people know about it and do whst he can prior to the midterms.

[SuperSpreader]

6 minutes ago, Zaku3 said:

He needs to let people know about it and do whst he can prior to the midterms.

I suspect he's been waiting to do it right before midterms all along, probably in the mid to late summer. 

 

 

https://www.dayonepatch.com/topic/11194-update-senate-shelves-the-bbb-act/?do=findComment&comment=351651

 

[finaljedi]

My question is still what happens next?  Forgiving student debt without a plan for the people who accrue that debt in the future isn't the best plan.  Forgiving student debt as a one off is a real bummer if you're in high school right now.

[Bloodporne]

Any positive reform to immigration-related issues in this country is welcome as far as I'm concerned. The asinine bullshit I've put up with and hoops I've had to jump through despite not having a nearly-as-complex case as some others may have is absurd.

 

What is technically "immigration fraud" is still hands-down the best, and easiest, path to citizenship.  

[Kal-El814]

17 minutes ago, finaljedi said:

My question is still what happens next?  Forgiving student debt without a plan for the people who accrue that debt in the future isn't the best plan.  Forgiving student debt as a one off is a real bummer if you're in high school right now.

 

Gotta break some eggs if you want an omelet.

[Zaku3]

26 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

Any positive reform to immigration-related issues in this country is welcome as far as I'm concerned. The asinine bullshit I've put up with and hoops I've had to jump through despite not having a nearly-as-complex case as some others may have is absurd.

 

What is technically "immigration fraud" is still hands-down the best, and easiest, path to citizenship.  

 

Based on my experience marriage is the best way. A fiance visa will get your SO here in like a year. Getting married abroad also works but you hace to wait about a year for their visa to come through.

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, finaljedi said:

Forgiving student debt as a one off is a real bummer if you're in high school right now.

I don’t understand why people feel this way, to be honest. One of the things we have instilled in our children is that you can be happy when something good happens to other people. If a generation of people are unburdened by their student loans, I who paid my own way through college am not harmed by that and can be happy for those who borrowed and now don’t have to pay that back.

 

This scenario you describe is particularly strange to me because nothing changed for the kid in high school that is contemplating student loans for college, something changed for other people.

[TyphoidHater]

10 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

 

Gotta break some eggs if you want an omelet.

 

Put some government cheese on that omelette 👌

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

1 minute ago, TyphoidHater said:

 

Put some government cheese on that omelette 👌

 

Is this a reference to our recent government cheese discussion on the Discord?

@CayceG @brodhen

 

 

Government cheese - Wikipedia

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[finaljedi]

1 hour ago, sblfilms said:

I don’t understand why people feel this way, to be honest. One of the things we have instilled in our children is that you can be happy when something good happens to other people. If a generation of people are unburdened by their student loans, I who paid my own way through college am not harmed by that and can be happy for those who borrowed and now don’t have to pay that back.

 

This scenario you describe is particularly strange to me because nothing changed for the kid in high school that is contemplating student loans for college, something changed for other people.

 

The point is the cost of higher education has blown up and the debt accrued hangs around these people's neck's for years.  I get that you're going to disappoint some people in that there are people who payed off student loans who won't be able to take advantage of the forgiveness, and that's fine, that's unavoidable.  But it's not free money, it's being paid off by the people who will start going to college after who are going to get saddled with huge debt themselves with no real plan for them as they're facing what is probably the continued rise in cost of higher education.

 

I'm fine with student debt forgiveness, but I feel like it needs to be packaged with reform.  Free community college, maybe significant help paying off 4 year year degree from a state school.

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, finaljedi said:

 

The point is the cost of higher education has blown up and the debt accrued hangs around these people's neck's for years.  I get that you're going to disappoint some people in that there are people who payed off student loans who won't be able to take advantage of the forgiveness, and that's fine, that's unavoidable.  But it's not free money, it's being paid off by the people who will start going to college after who are going to get saddled with huge debt themselves with no real plan for them as they're facing what is probably the continued rise in cost of higher education.

 

I'm fine with student debt forgiveness, but I feel like it needs to be packaged with reform.  Free community college, maybe significant help paying off 4 year year degree from a state school.

These issues are distinct from one another. Deciding how to make college more affordable in the future is irrelevant to how to ease the financial strain on current debtors.

 

So people getting upset that somebody else got their finances un-rekt is whacky because literally nothing has changed about their circumstance. People need to stop being upset that something good happened to somebody else. They can legitimately be upset that college continues to be a larger financial burden each year.

[TyphoidHater]

1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

Is this a reference to our recent government cheese discussion on the Discord?

@CayceG @brodhen

 

 

Government cheese - Wikipedia

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@Commissar SFLUFAN

 

SURE WAS!!!!!

[finaljedi]

7 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

These issues are distinct from one another. Deciding how to make college more affordable in the future is irrelevant to how to ease the financial strain on current debtors.

 

So people getting upset that somebody else got their finances un-rekt is whacky because literally nothing has changed about their circumstance. People need to stop being upset that something good happened to somebody else. They can legitimately be upset that college continues to be a larger financial burden each year.

 

I don't think they're so distinct.  Their current debt is a symptom of the problem of the cost of higher education and I guess I have a problem separating the underlying cause from the current ongoing symptom.  In 5 or 6 years when the student debt racks up again for a whole new generation we'll be right back here without some reform packaged with it.

 

Also I don't want to seem like I'm jealous or whatever of people getting their loans forgiven.  My finances are fine and my only large-ish debt is a Mazda 3 I bought right before the pandemic meant I don't need to use it as much.  I'll never have a problem with the taxes I pay going towards helping people.

[Chris-]

9 minutes ago, finaljedi said:

 

I don't think they're so distinct.  Their current debt is a symptom of the problem of the cost of higher education and I guess I have a problem separating the underlying cause from the current ongoing symptom.  In 5 or 6 years when the student debt racks up again for a whole new generation we'll be right back here without some reform packaged with it.

 

Also I don't want to seem like I'm jealous or whatever of people getting their loans forgiven.  My finances are fine and my only large-ish debt is a Mazda 3 I bought right before the pandemic meant I don't need to use it as much.  I'll never have a problem with the taxes I pay going towards helping people.

And there is no telling who will be in the White House five or six years from now. 
 

Take the wins while you can get them!

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, finaljedi said:

I don't think they're so distinct.  Their current debt is a symptom of the problem of the cost of higher education and I guess I have a problem separating the underlying cause from the current ongoing symptom.  In 5 or 6 years when the student debt racks up again for a whole new generation we'll be right back here without some reform packaged with it.

You can solve each completely independent of the other, and solving one absolutely doesn’t solve the other. That is about as distinct as you can get!

 

I understand wanting to tackle the root of an issue, but fixing a symptom for a bunch of people is worthwhile and we should be happy that former students are getting out from under what can be home mortgage sized student loan payments!

[finaljedi]

20 minutes ago, Chris- said:

And there is no telling who will be in the White House five or six years from now. 
 

Take the wins while you can get them!

 

Probably Ron DeSantis.  My own prediction is Trump will screw up 2024 for the Republicans and they'll get the White House in 2028.

 

2 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

You can solve each completely independent of the other, and solving one absolutely doesn’t solve the other. That is about as distinct as you can get!

 

I understand wanting to tackle the root of an issue, but fixing a symptom for a bunch of people is worthwhile and we should be happy that former students are getting out from under what can be home mortgage sized student loan payments!

 

It's probably as good as we're going to get.  Government is broken and I don't have much faith in real reform happening.  DACA being pushed out 5 more years is nice though, a path to citizenship is what they really need, but again, broken.

[Massdriver]

I too wish we could solve it all in one big package, but we all know how that goes with Congress and our system. The complexity of trying to fix higher education costs and inflation are much greater than student debt too. It may end up being an issue where the underlying causes of the system continue to be broken and every 20 years a president or Congress forgives the debt.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

7 minutes ago, Massdriver said:

I too wish we could solve it all in one big package, but we all know how that goes with Congress and our system. The complexity of trying to fix higher education costs and inflation are much greater than student debt too. It may end up being an issue where the underlying causes of the system continue to be broken and every 20 years a president or Congress forgives the debt.

The interesting thing to add when you talk about 20+ year timescales is that there will be debt forgiveness at that point regardless for a significant proportion of the population because that is the law as written. But in the meantime a lot of people are in debt for years and years with no discernible benefit other than keeping tax rates marginally lower at the state and federal levels (especially at the state level)

[Chris-]

1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

The interesting thing to add when you talk about 20+ year timescales is that there will be debt forgiveness at that point regardless for a significant proportion of the population because that is the law as written. But in the meantime a lot of people are in debt for years and years with no discernible benefit other than keeping tax rates marginally lower at the state and federal levels (especially at the state level)

And those years they are in debt overlap with their prime years in terms of starting a family and/or buying a house. Not great!

[SaysWho?]

To those who say we have to fix root causes over forgiving debt:

 

I do agree that root causes are most important (and free community college unfortunately wasn't achievable in this Congress). But he promised forgiving at least $10,000, and many young people are expecting it (and his approval ratings are being sunk by young people in large ways). So do it because you promised.

 

I honestly think he will be doing this.

[SaysWho?]

1 hour ago, sblfilms said:

These issues are distinct from one another. Deciding how to make college more affordable in the future is irrelevant to how to ease the financial strain on current debtors.

 

So people getting upset that somebody else got their finances un-rekt is whacky because literally nothing has changed about their circumstance. People need to stop being upset that something good happened to somebody else. They can legitimately be upset that college continues to be a larger financial burden each year.

 

Mother. Fucking. Yes.

 

I've been saying this for ages, and I'm not the only one here who has. I think @Xbob42 in his Xboby way said something like this in regards to minimum wage or something -- something like, don't be pissed off if government action means someone is making close to your pay. Be pissed that your employer doesn't pay you more.

[SaysWho?]

Rep. Tony Cardenas (D-Calif.) initially raised the issue with Biden during the meeting at the White House. In an interview, Cardenas said he first asked the president to extend the moratorium past the Aug. 31 expiration date, and Biden responded with a smile, "Well, Tony, I've extended it every time."

 

Cardenas said he then urged the president to issue an executive order to relieve at least $10,000 in student loan debts. In making his case, Cardenas said he told Biden that Latinos in the U.S. who are carrying student debt still have more than 80 percent of their bill due after more than a dozen years.

 

Biden was "incredibly positive" about the idea, Cardenas said.

 

Another lawmaker in attendance, Rep. Darren Soto (D-Fla.), said Biden's response to lawmakers' requests to cancel at least student debt was essentially that he would like to do it sooner rather than later. The president suggested he is looking to take the executive action soon, telling the Hispanic lawmakers that they would be very happy with what he does next, according to aides briefed on the meeting.

[GeneticBlueprint]

I thought it was extended through May? Is it extended through August?

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

5 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said:

I thought it was extended through May? Is it extended through August?

 

An extension through August was recently implemented.