Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Buried in the research -- only 24% of Canadians approve of how the Liberal government is handling the protests. [Which is higher than the 12% who agree with how the Conservatives are responding.] I agree with that 24% wholeheartedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 I would bet that both are so low because: more want the Liberals to do something to stop it, and Many conservatives think the CPC hasn't supported the protest enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I would bet that both are so low because: more want the Liberals to do something to stop it, and Many conservatives think the CPC hasn't supported the protest enough 17% of Liberal supporters agree with the protest 46% of CPC supporters agree with the protest There is a partisan split, but not as severe as I had anticipated. Strangely enough, more Liberals (23%) agree with the WAY the truckers are protesting, than agree with the protest itself. [Makes no sense to me.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 Some truckers are mad at the protestors because in Alberta the border is blocked as a result: Hmm, now what's different about the truckers who are vaccinated and working and the ones that are whiners and protesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 I wouldn’t want to be stuck in America either so, solidarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Massdriver Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 12 hours ago, mclumber1 said: I haven’t been impressed with any protests in the last decade. I don’t think they’re getting shit done. I would even argue some of them have been counter productive to their causes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 City Councillor: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 The path forward for the city is to get a court order that authorizes them to clear the protestors. To the best of my knowledge, the city hasn't begun that process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: The path forward for the city is to get a court order that authorizes them to clear the protestors. To the best of my knowledge, the city hasn't begun that process. There is always ticketing the shit out of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said: There is always ticketing the shit out of them That is probably counterproductive. 1) They're probably not going to find beat cops that will be willing to do that. 2) If they did, it will just spur more donations to the GoFundMe 3) It will likely just increase the resolve of the protestors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: That is probably counterproductive. 1) They're probably not going to find beat cops that will be willing to do that. 2) If they did, it will just spur more donations to the GoFundMe 3) It will likely just increase the resolve of the protestors I heard some grumblings yesterday that the Gofundme organizer is MIA, and people are worried the money (at least the amount released) is gone. Have you heard anything? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: That is probably counterproductive. 1) They're probably not going to find beat cops that will be willing to do that. 2) If they did, it will just spur more donations to the GoFundMe 3) It will likely just increase the resolve of the protestors Thats fine. At least the tickets will help fund this mess. And beat cops not willing to do it just shows how entrenched the right wing goons are in law enforcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said: Thats fine. At least the tickets will help fund this mess. And beat cops not willing to do it just shows how intrenched the right wing goons are in law enforcement. 1) Cops are trained to de-escalate, particularly during peaceful protests 2) No cop is going to walk into this kind of situation to ticket a truck when they are dramatically outnumbered 3) Tickets probably wouldn't hold up in court anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 They don't seem to have a problem cracking lib heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Air_Delivery said: They don't seem to have a problem cracking lib heads. Example? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 23 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I heard some grumblings yesterday that the Gofundme organizer is MIA, and people are worried the money (at least the amount released) is gone. Have you heard anything? Last I heard was that they had released $1M of the $10M to the campaign organizers. The remaining required them to submit an appropriate disbursement plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 47 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Example? City councillors call on Tory to stop 'extreme show of force' when dismantling Toronto encampments TORONTO.CTVNEWS.CA Five city councillors are calling on the mayor not to use 'extreme show of force' when the city dismantles homeless encampments, after violent scuffles broke out between protesters and police earlier this week. Spoiler i'm sure will be the response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, chakoo said: City councillors call on Tory to stop 'extreme show of force' when dismantling Toronto encampments TORONTO.CTVNEWS.CA Reveal hidden contents i'm sure will be the response. Yeah but the truckers are white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, chakoo said: City councillors call on Tory to stop 'extreme show of force' when dismantling Toronto encampments TORONTO.CTVNEWS.CA Five city councillors are calling on the mayor not to use 'extreme show of force' when the city dismantles homeless encampments, after violent scuffles broke out between protesters and police earlier this week. Reveal hidden contents i'm sure will be the response. They should follow the exact process Tory followed (but faster) that is used in most cases where a protest is blocking access to infrastructure, a public place or access to private capital. 1) Engage the leadership of the protest group, and negotiate peaceful access to the area/reasonable limits to the protest 2) If that fails, go get a court order to enforce the reasonable grounds of behaviour 3) Send in the police to enforce the court order with the minimum amount of force necessary AFAIK, Trudeau is refusing to even start the process. The city of Ottawa should absolutely begin the process. IMHO, they should go much faster than others have -- which have taken weeks (CN Railway blockage), months (Toronto encampments, pipeline protests) or years (Caledonia). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 I don't know that Trudeau can do anything, considering almost all of the occupation is off federal land. I guess technically the RCMP can supersede local police...but is that as doable in a province with its own provincial police force? It should really be Doug Ford doing it, in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AbsolutSurgen Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I don't know that Trudeau can do anything, considering almost all of the occupation is off federal land. I guess technically the RCMP can supersede local police...but is that as doable in a province with its own provincial police force? It should really be Doug Ford doing it, in that case. I believe that the City of Ottawa has jurisdiction here. OPP generally only has jurisdiction outside of cities or on provincial highways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 Sorry I should have been more clear—my understanding was the Ottawa police should be doing something, but that the first escalation would be to OPP, and then RCMP. But I might be mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Commentary from India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Commentary from India. I'm sure trying to make Modi look less bad in comparison has absolutely nothing to do with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Commentary from India. That's...pretty one-sided. I agree that Trudeau should be making stronger statements. But they are criticizing him for not revealing his location in Ottawa (he has "fled," that "the white knight of democracy could not handle a protest") while there have been apparently credible threats against him. Like...he hasn't fled the country, he's isolating while COVID+ and still in Ottawa, and appeared publicly yesterday for a statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 13 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: That's...pretty one-sided. I agree that Trudeau should be making stronger statements. But they are criticizing him for not revealing his location in Ottawa (he has "fled," that "the white knight of democracy could not handle a protest") while there have been apparently credible threats against him. Like...he hasn't fled the country, he's isolating while COVID+ and still in Ottawa, and appeared publicly yesterday for a statement. They are mostly criticizing him for not following the advice he so freely gave to India last year. (i.e. they are calling him a hypocrite) 42 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Sorry I should have been more clear—my understanding was the Ottawa police should be doing something, but that the first escalation would be to OPP, and then RCMP. But I might be mistaken. I don't believe there is a formal escalation process/hierarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 There is apparently a $6,500 reward from one of the far-right groups if people can identify "Nazi-flag Guy". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 lol one of Canada's top pollsters got a parking ticket while helping a friend move, but the police won't ticket the convoy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 Hmm...cops are pretty transparent: tickets for journalists covering the illegal demonstration...but not the illegally parked demonstrators' vehicles: The reporter should have had a swastika on the windshield, then he'd have avoided the ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 All cops are bastards means all even Canadian ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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