CA's high capacity magazine ban ruled unconstitutional by 9th Circuit

[mclumber1]

https://dl.airtable.com/.attachments/6d809a9cc6fddb883f29559e63a83234/94d604dc/DuncanvBecerraOpinion.pdf

 

This overturns the state's ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.  

 

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The panel affirmed the district court’s summary judgment in favor of plaintiffs challenging California Government Code § 31310, which bans possession of large capacity magazines (“LCMs”) that hold more than ten rounds of ammunition; and held that the ban violated the Second Amendment.

 

[Massdriver]

Magazines restrictions seem to me to be the part of assault weapon bans that would be most effective in reducing the quantity of death associated with mass shootings. Too bad.

[CayceG]

At this point, leftists should take advantage of this and just spray gaggles of politicians.

 

In Minecraft, obviously. This is a parody post. 

[Bacon]

Low capacity mass shootings 

[GeneticBlueprint]

Terrible.

[mclumber1]

Magazine restrictions are as good at reducing gun crime as limiting the alcohol percentage in beer to reduce drunk driving.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, mclumber1 said:

Magazine restrictions are as good at reducing gun crime as limiting the alcohol percentage in beer to reduce drunk driving.

It costs more as a business to get liability insurance if you serve cocktails than if you just serve beer/wine. 
 

Why do you think that is?

[mclumber1]

11 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

It costs more as a business to get liability insurance if you serve cocktails than if you just serve beer/wine. 
 

Why do you think that is?

 

I'm referring to states where they limit the alcohol percentage of beers, like Utah.  

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, mclumber1 said:

 

I'm referring to states where they limit the alcohol percentage of beers, like Utah.  

I know what you’re referring to, but what I just described is also a limit on ABV and a very common one at that. Why do you think beer/wine only businesses have cheaper liability insurance rates than those that serve cocktails?

[mclumber1]

1 minute ago, sblfilms said:

I know what you’re referring to, but what I just described is also a limit on ABV and a very common one at that. Why do you think beer/wine only businesses have cheaper liability insurance rates than those that serve cocktails?

I've never owned a business so I didn't know there was a difference in liability rates.  The pizza place I worked at as a teenager served beer and wine, but that is the type of alcohol license the store applied for.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Is there anything that can be limited with regard to guns then? 

 

Once again though, to take on gun violence we need nearly free/free mental (and all other) health care, environmental justice, and economic justice and opportunity. Everything else is lipstick on a pig tbh.

[mclumber1]

20 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Is there anything that can be limited with regard to guns then? 

 

Once again though, to take on gun violence we need nearly free/free mental (and all other) health care, environmental justice, and economic justice and opportunity. Everything else is lipstick on a pig tbh.

 

I'm fine with universal background checks, as long as they are free and I can do the check on myself (and have the seller verify I am legit).

 

Most gun crimes can be directly linked to things like poverty, the war on drugs, and mental health issues.  I'd rather address those issue to be honest.  

[PaladinSolo]

I'm pretty sure the most direct link to gun crime is easy access to guns, but sure its WAY easier to solve POVERTY.

[GeneticBlueprint]

1 hour ago, mclumber1 said:

Magazine restrictions are as good at reducing gun crime as limiting the alcohol percentage in beer to reduce drunk driving.

 

Do magazine restrictions make it harder to kill a higher number of people in a shorter amount of time?

[IdeaOfEvil]

Eventually what needs to happen is for a law to be made that prices bullets extremely expensive, like cigarettes are. Then no backwoods retard would fire his M4 off freely towards the sky with the rock music of Whitesnake blaring in the background...

[Guest]

1 hour ago, mclumber1 said:

I've never owned a business so I didn't know there was a difference in liability rates.  The pizza place I worked at as a teenager served beer and wine, but that is the type of alcohol license the store applied for.

It’s much more expensive to insure your business when serving cocktails as opposed to just beer/wine specifically because the risk associated with higher alcohol content. The idea that additional magazine capacity doesn’t increase the danger of a weapon is really silly.

[Keyser_Soze]

I remember that part in the constitution where it said, "Every citizen shall have a gun and it needs to have a high capacity magazine"

[mclumber1]

8 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

I remember that part in the constitution where it said, "Every citizen shall have a gun and it needs to have a high capacity magazine"

 

It's right after the amendment that says you shall have unrestricted access to Japanese tentacle porn.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

1 hour ago, PaladinSolo said:

I'm pretty sure the most direct link to gun crime is easy access to guns, but sure its WAY easier to solve POVERTY.

Why not both

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

32 minutes ago, mclumber1 said:

 

It's right after the amendment that says you shall have unrestricted access to Japanese tentacle porn.

Every pre teen deserves an ak with a high capacity mag

[MarSolo]

People who need guns are sissies.

 

Use fists like a real man.

[mclumber1]

9 hours ago, MarSolo said:

People who need guns are sissies.

 

Use fists like a real man.

 

What if you are a woman?

 

Fucking sexist

[BloodyHell]

13 hours ago, MarSolo said:

People who need guns are sissies.

 

Use fists like a real man.

Ahhh, yes. Thats the kind of intelligent comment that will resonate with pro-gun people....

[BloodyHell]

17 hours ago, IdeaOfEvil said:

Eventually what needs to happen is for a law to be made that prices bullets extremely expensive, like cigarettes are. Then no backwoods retard would fire his M4 off freely towards the sky with the rock music of Whitesnake blaring in the background...

So people will just reload. With modern multi-presses you can reload a couple of hundred rounds an hour. Plus, I don’t think you can make a law fixing prices (but I could be wrong). Either way, it would never work.

 

The people shooting tons of ammo at the range aren’t the problem anyway. We need to tackle political and religious extremism, and white supremacy.

[Uaarkson]

California be like

 

high capacity mags > high speed rail 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, BloodyHell said:

So people will just reload. With modern multi-presses you can reload a couple of hundred rounds an hour. Plus, I don’t think you can make a law fixing prices (but I could be wrong). Either way, it would never work.

 

The people shooting tons of ammo at the range aren’t the problem anyway. We need to tackle political and religious extremism, and white supremacy.

The demand for new guns and ammo creates massive competition and a strong secondary market which causes lower prices. Low priced legal guns and ammo makes illegal shootings more likely. Cheap guns and ammo are inextricably linked to American gun violence.

[Keyser_Soze]

3 hours ago, sblfilms said:

The demand for new guns and ammo creates massive competition and a strong secondary market which causes lower prices. Low priced legal guns and ammo makes illegal shootings more likely. Cheap guns and ammo are inextricably linked to American gun violence.

 

Apoc has a lot of money for ammo.

[BloodyHell]

12 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

Apoc has a lot of money for ammo.

I don’t know who or what you are, but you’re certainly trash. I’ve about had it with this forum and these to stupid allegations. 
 

If you must know, my name is Scott Narvie. I grew up dirt poor in the Aleut Islands, and now im a lower middle class fisherman. I certainly don’t have money, but I do have ammo. I wish I knew what your problem was, but either way, I held my tongue twice with your ridiculous comments. Don’t like me for some reason? Block me. But stop being an asshole.

[BloodyHell]

16 hours ago, sblfilms said:

The demand for new guns and ammo creates massive competition and a strong secondary market which causes lower prices. Low priced legal guns and ammo makes illegal shootings more likely. Cheap guns and ammo are inextricably linked to American gun violence.

Guns and ammo are inexorably linked to gun violence! Imagine that! 
 

what’s cheap? Both of my AR-15’s, and my CZ were 1500$+.  That might be cheap for a rich theater owner, but it’s not for the rest of us.  
 

until we tackle mental health in a real way, the shootings aren’t going to stop. The guns are already out there, and there is no way to claw them back. 
 

Im all for psychiatric assessments and greatly expanded background checks, but im not for price fixing of guns and ammo.

[Keyser_Soze]

Ok Scott. You should know I wasn't the one who made the previous allegation. Good luck catching the fish out there!

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Acting like 9mm pistols aren't <$500

[Guest]

39 minutes ago, BloodyHell said:

what’s cheap? Both of my AR-15’s, and my CZ were 1500$+.  That might be cheap for a rich theater owner, but it’s not for the rest of us. 

You can get brand new AR15 style rifles for under $800. You can get any number of handguns for $200-$300. And these are new, used even less. Compare that to what it would cost you get get a hand gun in a place like England.

[mclumber1]

17 hours ago, sblfilms said:

The demand for new guns and ammo creates massive competition and a strong secondary market which causes lower prices. Low priced legal guns and ammo makes illegal shootings more likely. Cheap guns and ammo are inextricably linked to American gun violence.

 

I would disagree to an extent.  Looking at ammo prices in Canada vs the US, and despite a much smaller market due to size and stricter gun control measures, prices are very comparable.  Even in the UK, prices for the same ammo aren't that much higher, to the point where it would turn off a person from wanting to do harm.

 

Although I can't find the statistics, I have no doubt that the total number of bullets fired out of a gun used in a murder is quite low.  Are gang members going to the local shooting range to hone their skills, going to through hundreds of rounds in a single day?  Or are they buying a box of 20 rounds and putting 15 in the gun and putting the gun in their waistband? 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, mclumber1 said:

 

I would disagree to an extent.  Looking at ammo prices in Canada vs the US, and despite a much smaller market due to size and stricter gun control measures, prices are very comparable.  Even in the UK, prices for the same ammo aren't that much higher, to the point where it would turn off a person from wanting to do harm.

 

Although I can't find the statistics, I have no doubt that the total number of bullets fired out of a gun used in a murder is quite low.  Are gang members going to the local shooting range to hone their skills, going to through hundreds of rounds in a single day?  Or are they buying a box of 20 rounds and putting 15 in the gun and putting the gun in their waistband? 

Canadian gun prices are directly affected by being right next door to the US. Look at a map of Canada and the US and notice how many major Canadian cities are basically on the border with the US.

 

It doesn’t matter if the guns used in the average murder have a bunch of rounds go through them, if there wasn’t the demand for legal guns and ammo, there wouldn’t be the competitive market to supply the guns and ammo, and prices would be much higher.

 

You can’t divorce your hobby’s affect on pricing and availability from the weapons and ammo procured for crime.

 

And regarding the UK, a significant amount of ammo available there are reloads of ammo from...dun dun dun, America. Yes. Our gun fetish is so massive it affects markets over seas as well.

[Dodger]

Bloodyhell is right though, guns are so efficient that you don’t need many bullets to kill somebody. The only people who need boxes of ammo are those who hunt, go the range regularly, and all the John Mclane types who think they are going to be a soldier in some imaginary revolution. You don’t need a lot of ammo to kill a few people.