Keep cars out of cities

[thewhyteboar]

 

[skillzdadirecta]

Hmmm... the timing for a sentiment like this couldn't be worse.

[Bloodporne]

I'm theoretically for this, private vehicles that is, but I'd love to see them somehow be able to solve the issue of how to even semi-reliably get these people into Manhattan when they can't even do it now. You pretty much need a car per family even living in Queens and a lot of Bklyn because the train service is spotty garbage at best when you don't live in a big money neighborhood. I used to often have to take the car to Long Island City, right across the river from Manhattan, and then take the subway in which was a huge drama. If I had to do that every day, I'd be moving to Montana within a month.

 

The LIRR and Jersey railroad systems are completely overloaded trash that breaks down and devolves into weekly dramatics just the same. The whole thing is a tightrope walk and balancing act of decaying and barely-functioning components that'll crumble at the slightest upset. I have no faith in the laughable MTA nor the city of NYC in general to make anything like this happen. They can't solve even the dumbest shit in short.  

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

7 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

I'm theoretically for this, private vehicles that is, but I'd love to see them somehow be able to solve the issue of how to even semi-reliably get these people into Manhattan when they can't even do it now. You pretty much need a car per family even living in Queens and a lot of Bklyn because the train service is spotty garbage at best when you don't live in a big money neighborhood. I used to often have to take the car to Long Island City, right across the river from Manhattan, and then take the subway in which was a huge drama. If I had to do that every day, I'd be moving to Montana within a month.

 

The LIRR and Jersey railroad systems are completely overloaded trash that breaks down and devolves into weekly dramatics just the same. The whole thing is a tightrope walk and balancing act of decaying and barely-functioning components that'll crumble at the slightest upset. I have no faith in the laughable MTA nor the city of NYC in general to make anything like this happen. They can't solve even the dumbest shit in short.  

Build baby build. Housing and transit. And upzone. And ironically take space away from cars

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Cars are a choice, and a terrible one at that, which are killing the planet.

[Bloodporne]

13 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Build baby build. Housing and transit. And upzone. And ironically take space away from cars

D1P engineers to the rescue! Clearly nobody has ever thought of this brilliant solution before. 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

15 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

D1P engineers to the rescue! Clearly nobody has ever thought of this brilliant solution before. 

It's really that simple. It's a political question that is holding this back, specifically the political will of upper/upper middle class landowning urban whites, who are primarily aged relatively speaking.

 

We spend billions every year to continue to expand road capacity while spending a relative pittance on expanding mass transit. We go out of our way to make sure potholes are filled while buses and trains go into disrepair because of the ever increasing backlog of deferred maintenance. In addition to the sheer cost of building mass transit in this country relative to others.

 

And housing just needs more units, more specifically in rich white neighborhoods, which means we must reduce or eliminate barriers to housing construction which means upzoning and getting rid of parking requirements, thus increasing the need for so-called alternative mode of transportation like transit and biking.

[Remarkableriots]

It's very hard getting groceries home just for one person. I couldn't imagine trying to bring enough food on public transit to say feed a family of 6 for a couple weeks or more. 

[Bloodporne]

11 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

It's really that simple. It's a political question that is holding this back, specifically the political will of upper/upper middle class landowning urban whites, who are primarily aged relatively speaking.

 

We spend billions every year to continue to expand road capacity while spending a relative pittance on expanding mass transit. We go out of our way to make sure potholes are filled while buses and trains go into disrepair because of the ever increasing backlog of deferred maintenance. In addition to the sheer cost of building mass transit in this country relative to others.

 

And housing just needs more units, more specifically in rich white neighborhoods, which means we must reduce or eliminate barriers to housing construction which means upzoning and getting rid of parking requirements, thus increasing the need for so-called alternative mode of transportation like transit and biking.

Right, and none of that is even remotely simple in reality because NYC can't get out of its own damn way for the simplest of things. 

[thewhyteboar]

29 minutes ago, Remarkableriots said:

It's very hard getting groceries home just for one person. I couldn't imagine trying to bring enough food on public transit to say feed a family of 6 for a couple weeks or more. 

Neighborhood grocery stores. I duck into my local story every couple of days. Buy what you need. It results in less food waste as well.

[Keyser_Soze]

1 hour ago, Bloodporne said:

D1P engineers to the rescue! Clearly nobody has ever thought of this brilliant solution before. 

 

I'd live in D1P City!

[Bloodporne]

15 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

I'd live in D1P City!

Imaging the bickering at every social gathering, lord...

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

1 hour ago, Bloodporne said:

Right, and none of that is even remotely simple in reality because NYC can't get out of its own damn way for the simplest of things. 

Solutions are easy, implemention is hard and expensive. Especially with no political will from the top

[Spork3245]

43 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said:

Neighborhood grocery stores. I duck into my local story every couple of days. Buy what you need. It results in less food waste as well.

Local stores, in my experience, have much higher prices than large stores like Shoprite or Acme.

[Bloodporne]

18 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Solutions are easy, implemention is hard and expensive. Especially with no political will from the top

We're saying the exact same thing at this point so all we have to do now is wait until after Manhattan goes full The Last Of Us to see it car-free. 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

The answer to shopping can be

https://www.walmart.com/c/kp/folding-shopping-carts

 

A bunch of old ladies have had this figured out for ages. It's a solved problem.

 

There are also bicycles that can do the same thing that can hold kids and groceries. It's what the Dutch do

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

1 minute ago, Bloodporne said:

We're saying the exact same thing at this point so all we have to do now is wait until after Manhattan goes full The Last Of Us to see it car-free. 

Albany is also an impediment don't forget that. A congestion fee or tax for Manhattan would be helpful but Cuomo won't allow it!

[Jason]

22 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

Local stores, in my experience, have much higher prices than large stores like Shoprite or Acme.

 

Paying thousands of dollars a year on car payments, insurance, gas, maintenance, and parking to save a dollar on a pack of toilet paper is definitely a financially sound tradeoff. 

[marioandsonic]

I don't live in the city, so the nearest grocery store to me isn't within reasonable walking (or even biking) distance.

[Jason]

1 minute ago, marioandsonic said:

I don't live in the city

 

looks at thread title

[Spork3245]

15 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Paying thousands of dollars a year on car payments, insurance, gas, maintenance, and parking to save a dollar on a pack of toilet paper is definitely a financially sound tradeoff. 

Because cars can only be used to go to the grocery store.

And it’s more than “a dollar on a pack of toilet paper”, it’s $1.99/lb chicken vs $4.99/lb. When you’re feeding a family, that will add up to more than car insurance and maintenance very quickly.

[Captain Pickle]

But winter.

 

sorry

[Bloodporne]

23 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Albany is also an impediment don't forget that. A congestion fee or tax for Manhattan would be helpful but Cuomo won't allow it!

I mean, he's cool with $10-and-up tolls one way to get into Manhattan, just skim a bit off those completely asinine amounts and re-allocate it. Seemingly none of it is used for repairs as it is.

[Jason]

3 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

I mean, he's cool with $10-and-up tolls one way to get into Manhattan, just skim a bit off those completely asinine amounts 

 

Drivers Cover Just 51 Percent of U.S. Road Spending

[Bloodporne]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Drivers Cover Just 51 Percent of U.S. Road Spending

Ok, what's the tldr and all that? 

[Jason]

12 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

Ok, what's the tldr and all that? 

 

$10 to drive into some of the most valuable real estate in the entire country isn't asinine when your driving is being subsidized to the tune of 50%.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

To be fair 3+ axle road users should be paying much much more for upkeep. Road damage goes up exponentially on a per axle weight basis.

[Uaarkson]

America needs to stop building new road infrastructure. Federal funding should pay for maintenance only. And this doesn’t even begin to touch the real problem, which is our nation’s zoning and incredibly unproductive development patterns.

[Bloodporne]

53 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

$10 to drive into some of the most valuable real estate in the entire country isn't asinine when your driving is being subsidized to the tune of 50%.

Don't hate the player, hate the game. It is my supreme god-given right as a Tri-State area resident to bitch about bridge & tunnel tolls. 

[skillzdadirecta]

3 hours ago, Bloodporne said:

Imaging the bickering at every social gathering, lord...

And the easy arm-chair solutions to problems that have plagued people for centuries that ONLY the big-brains at D1P could have thought of in their infinite wisdom! Give this board power and we'd solve all of the world's issues in what, two weeks? Six months? a Year? Who the fuck am I kidding? TWO DAYS is all this brain trust would need.

 

And have fun convincing people to use public transportation NOW with a global pandemic going on... this article is one of the biggest "failures to read the room" I've seen in a VERY long time.

 

 

[skillzdadirecta]

1 hour ago, Bloodporne said:

We're saying the exact same thing at this point so all we have to do now is wait until after Manhattan goes full The Last Of Us to see it car-free. 

Well it came close during the shut down... some nights when I was coming into the city I swear it felt like I was in a combo nightmare of I Am Legend and The Division.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

15 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

And the easy arm-chair solutions to problems that have plagued people for centuries that ONLY the big-brains at D1P could have thought of in their infinite wisdom! Give this board power and we'd solve all of the world's issues in what, two weeks? Six months? a Year? Who the fuck am I kidding? TWO DAYS is all this brain trust would need.

 

And have fun convincing people to use public transportation NOW with a global pandemic going on... this tweet is one of the biggest "failures to read the room" I've seen in a VERY long time.

 

 

Doesn't have to be just public transit. Could be bike riding, electric or otherwise. Hell, you could increase social distancing by running more bus's and more trains. We don't *need* cars in cities. Just look outside our borders to see this.

 

That said, density (needed for transit/"alternative transportation" usage to not suck) isn't the issue with the pandemic lol. This is why notoriously dense Phoenix and Houston are the major hotspots as opposed to the sprawling Asian metropolises of Hong Kong and Seoul.

[Bloodporne]

2 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Well it came close during the shut down... some nights when I was coming into the city I swear it felt like I was in a combo nightmare of I Am Legend and The Division.

Yeah I was going in for work and it certainly was approximately 3/4 The Last Of Us. I took a stroll one night with Miles Davis' Kind of Blue in my headphones and it was quite something. 

[Joe]

Guys, we're never going to be Europe. We will always be dependent on cars in this country. 

 

That said, it's no excuse for our embarrassing infrastructure. The train I occasionally take to NYC from my NJ suburb is absolutely pathetic. Straight from the '70's.

[Bloodporne]

2 minutes ago, Jose said:

Guys, we're never going to be Europe. We will always be dependent on cars in this country. 

 

That said, it's no excuse for our embarrassing infrastructure. The train I occasionally take to NYC from my NJ suburb is absolutely pathetic. Straight from the '70's.

I wonder which is more hellfire-hot garbage, NJ Transit (or is it PATH, I don't know) or the LIRR? If it even mildly drizzles, the train is delayed an hour and then strands you somewhere in Queens and tells you to take a cab to Long Island.