Joe Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, CayceG said: Timing is the only thing that's "suspicious" about this. And it's only that because our brains cannot fathom that many many shitty things can happen simultaneously in one place on the planet. See, you're the one taking a side here, not me. You're 100% sure right now that mechanical failure brought the plane down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jose said: See, you're the one taking a side here, not me. You're 100% sure right now that mechanical failure brought the plane down. If you read my posts more carefully, you would see that I am insisting that there is no proof that the plane was shot down. I am not definitively saying what DID bring the plane down. It could have been shot down! But there is no proof to support that, and people being weird and scared and saying "what if" just isn't reasonable without that proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, CayceG said: If you read my posts more carefully, you would see that I am insisting that there is no proof that the plane was shot down. I am not definitively saying what DID bring the plane down. It could have been shot down! But there is no proof to support that, and people being weird and scared and saying "what if" just isn't reasonable without that proof. You said "Timing is the only thing that's "suspicious" about this." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Just now, AbsolutSurgen said: You said "Timing is the only thing that's "suspicious" about this." And then I said essentially that our brains are inventing that suspicion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 The timing is framing for the fact that this an atypical incident for this aircraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, CayceG said: Timing is the only thing that's "suspicious" about this. And it's only that because our brains cannot fathom that many many shitty things can happen simultaneously in one place on the planet. This level of coinciding tragedy happens every day at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, CayceG said: And then I said essentially that our brains are inventing that suspicion. My suspicion is coming from what is being reported by aviation experts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 If I really wanted to stake a position, I'd be shitting all over Boeing because ANOTHER catastrophic 737 mechanical issue would spell doom for the product line. Boeing execs might even be hoping that it WAS shot down just to save their profits! EDIT: That one link on the last page just doesn't point to anything concrete. Those "aviation experts" aren't making legitimate conclusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iculus Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 This was obviously an American op intended to implicate Iran in the murder of citizens of NATO allies, thus garnering support for future escalation. An EMP was used to knock out power so that the pilots couldn't communicate that they were taking fire from an F-35. Without power the 737 was unable to safely land with one engine. (I don't believe any of this, but I'll watch the movie if Harrison Ford is in it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Would it be fair to assume that if there was a mechanical failure of some kind, the crew would have alerted air traffic control before the flight went down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Would it be fair to assume that if there was a mechanical failure of some kind, the crew would have alerted air traffic control before the flight went down? We don't know that they didn't do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Would it be fair to assume that if there was a mechanical failure of some kind, the crew would have alerted air traffic control before the flight went down? Data from the airplane stopped abruptly, about 6 minutes after takeoff, and there were no communications from the pilots after this. Experts say this was probably due to power being diverted from the transmitters. The mechanical would have had to have been "catastrophic" (according to former pilot and TSB accident investigator Larry Vance) as the plane has "lots of sources and lots of backups" for power. Video shows this plane a as a fireball, crashing to the ground, leaving a dispersed debris field with no large pieces of fuselage intact. Experts have said that this is inconsistent with a plane that crashed into the ground, but rather one that had broken up in midair. There are no incidents on record of a 737-Next Generation plane EVER exploding midair due to a mechanical failure. Something caused this plane to suddenly lose power and explode. It clearly could have been a mechanical failure that caused the jet fuel to ignite. It also could have been a missile, or a bomb in the cargo hold, or anti-aircraft fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 It also underwent maintenance literally before it took off. So the maintenance tasks could have been screwed up and contributed to the crash. It also could have been a bird strike causing loss of power and engine fire (which has happened before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspian_Airlines_Flight_7908 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, CayceG said: It also underwent maintenance literally before it took off. So the maintenance tasks could have been screwed up and contributed to the crash. Lots of things could have happened. Which, is why I said it looks suspicious. (You'll also note that I haven't linked to any of the photos of missile parts, "fuselage shrapnel evidence", or engine breakdowns demonstrating being hit by a missile -- because not of it comes from a reputable source.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, AbsolutSurgen said: (You'll also note that I haven't linked to any of the photos of missile parts, "fuselage shrapnel evidence", or engine breakdowns demonstrating being hit by a missile -- because not of it comes from a reputable source.) Then you deserve commendation for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Supposedly this plane was newly built and delivered in 2016. Boeing is trash and is literally killing people, is my conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Prime Minister Justin Trudeau confirmed that 138 of the 176 passengers were enroute to Pearson airport in Toronto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 This forensic analysis is fascinating. They were headed back to the airport when it finally went down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 7 hours ago, CayceG said: If you read my posts more carefully, you would see that I am insisting that there is no proof that the plane was shot down. I am not definitively saying what DID bring the plane down. It could have been shot down! But there is no proof to support that, and people being weird and scared and saying "what if" just isn't reasonable without that proof. If you had read my posts, then you wouldn't have demanded evidence the plane was shot down when I never said the plane was shot down. Also, blaming Boeing for this is absolute stupidity. The 737 NG is one of the safest planes ever to fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Wouldn't you ground flights while you're launching missiles at enemies or in I just being stupid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 DoD and Iraqi intelligence officials believe the aircraft was accidentally brought down by an Iranian Tor M-1 SAM Quote The Ukrainian flight that crashed just outside the Iranian capital of Tehran was struck by an anti-aircraft missile system, a Pentagon official, a senior U.S. intelligence official and an Iraqi intelligence official told Newsweek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 If they are going off what's floating around the internet, then that's not necessarily proof. These are the only pictures of the missile part: 1. It is definitely a Tor missile. This is not in dispute. 2. These photographs provide no clues on where these photos were taken. There's no background that can be used to geolocate them. 3. The source of the photos come from Telegram, a platform that scrubs metadata from the photos. So there's no way to identify where they were taken or uploaded. 4. This could all be true and we're just missing the pieces to fully piece it together. But unless these Pentagon and Iraqi officials have evidence that isn't out in the public yet, I remain skeptical due to the lack of a "smoking gun". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 And, immediately, that information seems to come out... God. Fucking. Dammit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 The derp was strong with you in this thread, my child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Just now, Jose said: The derp was strong with you in this thread, my child. Forgive me for not making conclusions in the absence of evidence. But Trump has dementia, snorts sudafed, and likes watching hookers getting pissed on. Right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 20 hours ago, CayceG said: If I really wanted to stake a position, I'd be shitting all over Boeing because ANOTHER catastrophic 737 mechanical issue would spell doom for the product line. Boeing execs might even be hoping that it WAS shot down just to save their profits! EDIT: That one link on the last page just doesn't point to anything concrete. Those "aviation experts" aren't making legitimate conclusions. Deeerrrrrrrrrrrrrp. Ok I got that out of my system. I'm done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 It’s funny when something suspicious happens and somebody tries to be the voice of reason acting like the circumstances aren’t suspicious and it turns out it was the worst case scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazatron Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I mean, there’s “let’s not jump to conclusions” and then there’s what CayceG did... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, sblfilms said: It’s funny when something suspicious happens and somebody tries to be the voice of reason acting like the circumstances aren’t suspicious and it turns out it was the worst case scenario. Honestly, conspiracy theorists annoy me just as much as they do Cayce, but I think as a response we often have a tendency to go too far to the other side and dismiss all possibilities in a situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Amazatron said: I mean, there’s “let’s not jump to conclusions” and then there’s what CayceG did... Just now, Jose said: Honestly, conspiracy theorists annoy me just as much as they do Cayce, but I think as a response we often have a tendency to go too far to the other side and dismiss all possibilities in a situation. For sure. Just giving our guy a hard time for going a little overboard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Though I am sad that he thinks I am a Trump Derangement Syndrome guy when I am like the first person in this board to bitch out people for doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Trump got these people killed. He started this. The situation developed out of something he caused. It may have been an Iranian missile, but Trump and his warhawk generals are to blame for these deaths. Without killing Soleimani, this would not have happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Soooo...does this mean Canada is at war with Iran? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I don't want to have to see people go through this again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 29 minutes ago, CayceG said: Trump got these people killed. He started this. The situation developed out of something he caused. It may have been an Iranian missile, but Trump and his warhawk generals are to blame for these deaths. Without killing Soleimani, this would not have happened. The Iranians allowing civilian air traffic to fly while launching missiles and anticipating the possibility of counter attacks by the US is actually what caused this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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