Jason Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, sblfilms said: The Iranians allowing civilian air traffic to fly while launching missiles and anticipating the possibility of counter attacks by the US is actually what caused this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I really like this thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jason said: Jason with his typically substantive response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 You think they'd want to be especially careful after what happened in 1988. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Regardless of who started it, Iran just killed a bunch of US allies. I'll be eager to see what the response is going to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Reputator said: Regardless of who started it, Iran just killed a bunch of US allies. I'll be eager to see what the response is going to be. It was purely accidental - absolutely nothing is going to happen other than some mean words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Reputator said: Regardless of who started it, Iran just killed a bunch of US allies. I'll be eager to see what the response is going to be. The source for this being the US government, which totally wouldn't lie about this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: It was purely accidental - absolutely nothing is going to happen other than some mean words. And unfortunately, manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide are totally cool when it’s the government doing the killing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 It increasingly looks like Iran accidentally shot down an airliner. A military response would be asinine. Howver, I predict the Iranian investigation will be continually blocked, evidence will disappear, and will officially conclude a mechanical failure. The victims families will never receive an apology, nor any compensation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Plot twist: Canada declares war on Iran and embarks on a savagely bloodthirsty mountie attack the world has seldom seen. Heavily armored moose equipped with double flaks utterly baffle Iranian resistance into inaction and ultimately submission. Donald Trump thanks himself for America's northern-most state having done a fantastic, really good, best job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, AbsolutSurgen said: It increasingly looks like Iran accidentally shot down an airliner. A military response would be asinine. Howver, I predict the Iranian investigation will be continually blocked, evidence will disappear, and will officially conclude a mechanical failure. The victims families will never receive an apology, nor any compensation. This seems like the most realistic outcome on all fronts to me as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1Cowboy Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 34 minutes ago, Reputator said: Regardless of who started it, Iran just killed a bunch of US allies. I'll be eager to see what the response is going to be. Considering those allies felt the US shouldn't have been stirring shit up needlessly with Iran....I'm betting we catch more than a bit of their ire over this as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Just now, Alpha1Cowboy said: Considering those allies felt the US shouldn't have been stirring shit up needlessly with Iran....I'm betting we catch more than a bit of their ire over this as well. That's my sentiment as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 As well we should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 This video might be showing the moment the missile strikes the plane. People are working to geolocate where it was taken to confirm if it was in Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 The only possible retribution for this will come in the form of lawsuits filed in Canada (or other countries) by the families of the passengers against Iran. Assets that are tied to the Iranian government could be seized to pay for settlements. I am not saying this is likely (and it will take years, especially with lack of evidence coming from Iran), but it's probably the most likely "good" outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Trudeau's live remarks on jet being shot down, should be starting right away: https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1668726851700 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 "Evidence indicates that airline was shot down by Iranian surface-to-air missile. It is possible, this was inadvertent." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Trudeau confirms Canada has intelligence from multiple sources that the plane was shot down by Iran (including Canadian intelligence as well as allies). Says it could have been inadvertent. Calls for a full investigation, says Canadians deserve answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Canada has spoken with Iran directly, has demanded direct access to investigate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Trudeau has talked to the Netherlands PM as well. That connection will be vital, as the Netherlands has experience with MH17's shootdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Trudeau asked what he would say to those who say that Trump is indirectly responsible. Trudeau says that is an understandable question, and everyone will want answers. So, that's actually a shocking non-defense of the US in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 How much responsibility does the US bear? No answer. We need a full and credible investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Trudeau is merely saying "we need a full and credible investigation" to any question that tries to allocate blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Asked about intention of strike. No answer. Repeats need for clear investigation. Evidence suggests a probably cause for missile strike, but need more evidence to determine intent. If it was accidental, what responses will Canada consider? Trudeau says confirmation is needed first, investigation, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I mean, that's correct. There MUST be an investigation. We just do not have all the pieces together yet. MH17's investigation took years. Open Source Intelligence Analysis can provide an idea of WHAT happened relatively quickly. But why it happened, who did it, and the events that occurred that lead up to the shootdown is a long, arduous journey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Does the US share any blame? Too early for answers or draw conclusions. Asked about Trump calling the region "a rough neighbourhood," Trudeau says "I'll let Mr. Trump's words speak for themselves." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Trudeau is VERY good at staying on message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazatron Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Of course the U.S. shares blame, our actions directly lead to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Trudeau is VERY good at staying on message. Helps when you don't snort a line of adderall before taking the stage. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Amazatron said: Of course the U.S. shares blame, our actions directly lead to this. The U.S. did not place anti-aircraft missiles near a commercial airport. The U.S. did not launch those missiles. Unless the US had military aircraft in the area, it is hard to say they are responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 The US created the environment that allowed this to happen. Much like Russia created the environment in Eastern Ukraine that allowed separatists to shoot down MH17. The SAM operators themselves certainly deserve some blame, but the progenitor of the conflict cannot be ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 There are a long line of moments where this could have been averted, and the closer you get to the incident the more blame that can be put on those moments. So Trump certainly does share some blame for the conditions that led to this, as a result of the drone assasination, but not nearly as much as Iran for doing the ultimate act of firing a missile after not shutting down airports. Go back one step further than Trump's orders and you can also put blame on the military staff who even gave Trump the option (which was allegedly only given to make their preferred choices seem more reasonable), not suspecting that he may in fact use that option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, Amazatron said: Of course the U.S. shares blame, our actions directly lead to this. “Indirectly” is the correct word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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