AUKUS Row: French ambassador to return to US following Macron/Biden tête-à-tête

[Jason]

2 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

The actual experience of the Iraq.

 

and something something Corbyn hates the Jewz

[CayceG]

The more I think about how rickety of a deal this is, the more I believe that it's a push by US intelligence to pressure the Australian government to buff their defense capabilities and allow for US basing as a hedge against China. 

 

I don't mean to be all "The CIA is behind it" but the US intel/defense sector being a primary force behind this turnabout kinda makes sense. It directly serves US interests in strengthening western (non-French, who really haven't cared about Chinese moves in the Pacific) power in the Pacific, and it benefits US defense contracts. 

 

 

 

 

 

Plus... it wouldn't be the most blatant meddling in Australian politics we've ever done!

 

1975 Australian constitutional crisis - Wikipedia

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[Commissar SFLUFAN]

BBC News - France recalls envoys after security pact row

France recalls envoys after security pact row

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France recalls its ambassadors from the US and Australia over a new security pact it said was "a stab in the back".

 

[Fizzzzle]

Can someone give a tl;dr on why France gives a shit other than losing a contract for submarines?

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Just now, Fizzzzle said:

Can someone give a tl;dr on why France gives a shit other than losing a contract for submarines?

 

That's the gist of it.

[Fizzzzle]

Just now, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

That's the gist of it.

Oh, well... fair enough, I guess.

 

I thought there was more to it that I was missing.

[BloodyHell]

5 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said:

Oh, well... fair enough, I guess.

 

I thought there was more to it that I was missing.

The contracts are huge money, but also, the french make Boeing seem quick and efficient.

[Jwheel86]

37 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

That's the gist of it.

 

And being blind sided by the announcement. 

[CayceG]

Also, more context is that this is a big L for Macron, who is about to head into an election. So it's really bad timing for him, politically. 

[Joe]

Fucking KO

[CayceG]

That is the biggest French victory over England since I don't know when. 

[SuperSpreader]

9 minutes ago, CayceG said:

That is the biggest French victory over England since I don't know when. 

The Norman invasion

[Air_Delivery]

I can see why China is pissed but I still really don't see why France is throwing such a tantrum. Its fucking Australia, the deal can't be that lucrative. 

[Fizzzzle]

24 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said:

The Norman invasion

I'll never understand why the English view the 100 years war as an English vs. French thing when it was, for the most part a French vs. French conflict. Henry V was the first English king in 350 years to actually speak English in court, his father was the first one who even COULD speak English (there is one account of Richard Lionheart addressing some of his men in English while on crusade), and the war was already started by *his* grandfather.

 

I would say it wasn't until the Tudor dynasty that England *really* was actually ruled by the English, tough that's a subjective statement.

 

Honestly, you could say that until the late 16th century, England routinely got their asses kicked by everyone who wasn't Celtic. Vikings? Resulted in the Danelaw. Then they had like two seconds of self rule before getting conquered by the Normans, which you could view as either being conquered by the French or just more Vikings, depending on how you look at it (Rollo was either William's grandfather or great grandfather, I don't remember). 

 

I'm starting to ramble, which is what happens when I talk about history. Point being, the French basically dominated the English for like half a millennium, and before that they were dominated by Nords for half a millennium.

 

But then, the funny thing is... Everyone who conquers England eventually just kind of.. becomes English? Maybe there's something to be said there about cultural durability. The Chinese have the same thing. Everyone who conquers china just like becomes Chinese.

 

... I'm done now.

[SuperSpreader]

18 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said:

I'll never understand why the English view the 100 years war as an English vs. French thing when it was, for the most part a French vs. French conflict. Henry V was the first English king in 350 years to actually speak English in court, his father was the first one who even COULD speak English (there is one account of Richard Lionheart addressing some of his men in English while on crusade), and the war was already started by *his* grandfather.

 

I would say it wasn't until the Tudor dynasty that England *really* was actually ruled by the English, tough that's a subjective statement.

 

Honestly, you could say that until the late 16th century, England routinely got their asses kicked by everyone who wasn't Celtic. Vikings? Resulted in the Danelaw. Then they had like two seconds of self rule before getting conquered by the Normans, which you could view as either being conquered by the French or just more Vikings, depending on how you look at it (Rollo was either William's grandfather or great grandfather, I don't remember). 

 

I'm starting to ramble, which is what happens when I talk about history. Point being, the French basically dominated the English for like half a millennium, and before that they were dominated by Nords for half a millennium.

 

But then, the funny thing is... Everyone who conquers England eventually just kind of.. becomes English? Maybe there's something to be said there about cultural durability. The Chinese have the same thing. Everyone who conquers china just like becomes Chinese.

 

... I'm done now.

[Jason]

42 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said:

I'll never understand why the English view the 100 years war as an English vs. French thing when it was, for the most part a French vs. French conflict. Henry V was the first English king in 350 years to actually speak English in court, his father was the first one who even COULD speak English (there is one account of Richard Lionheart addressing some of his men in English while on crusade), and the war was already started by *his* grandfather.

 

I would say it wasn't until the Tudor dynasty that England *really* was actually ruled by the English, tough that's a subjective statement.

 

Honestly, you could say that until the late 16th century, England routinely got their asses kicked by everyone who wasn't Celtic. Vikings? Resulted in the Danelaw. Then they had like two seconds of self rule before getting conquered by the Normans, which you could view as either being conquered by the French or just more Vikings, depending on how you look at it (Rollo was either William's grandfather or great grandfather, I don't remember). 

 

I'm starting to ramble, which is what happens when I talk about history. Point being, the French basically dominated the English for like half a millennium, and before that they were dominated by Nords for half a millennium.

 

But then, the funny thing is... Everyone who conquers England eventually just kind of.. becomes English? Maybe there's something to be said there about cultural durability. The Chinese have the same thing. Everyone who conquers china just like becomes Chinese.

 

... I'm done now.

 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

3 hours ago, Fizzzzle said:

I'll never understand why the English view the 100 years war as an English vs. French thing when it was, for the most part a French vs. French conflict. Henry V was the first English king in 350 years to actually speak English in court, his father was the first one who even COULD speak English (there is one account of Richard Lionheart addressing some of his men in English while on crusade), and the war was already started by *his* grandfather.

 

I would say it wasn't until the Tudor dynasty that England *really* was actually ruled by the English, tough that's a subjective statement.

 

Honestly, you could say that until the late 16th century, England routinely got their asses kicked by everyone who wasn't Celtic. Vikings? Resulted in the Danelaw. Then they had like two seconds of self rule before getting conquered by the Normans, which you could view as either being conquered by the French or just more Vikings, depending on how you look at it (Rollo was either William's grandfather or great grandfather, I don't remember). 

 

I'm starting to ramble, which is what happens when I talk about history. Point being, the French basically dominated the English for like half a millennium, and before that they were dominated by Nords for half a millennium.

 

But then, the funny thing is... Everyone who conquers England eventually just kind of.. becomes English? Maybe there's something to be said there about cultural durability. The Chinese have the same thing. Everyone who conquers china just like becomes Chinese.

 

... I'm done now.

Fuck the haters this is good

[legend]

On 9/17/2021 at 9:14 AM, CayceG said:

If you haven't heard of Karen Silkwood, she was a technician that worked at a fuel production plant in Oklahoma that uncovered a bunch of safety regulations the company was violating. She started blowing the whistle. And mYsTeRiOusLy she wound up being contaminated with uranium in a few instances, including her house. And as she was traveling to hand over documents to a reporter to further add proof to the accusations, she was run off the road and killed. The documents she had were never recovered. 

 

Basically, the company she worked for had her bumped off because she was trying to make work safer, which would mean fewer profits. 

 

 

Shit like that is why all this is intertwined. 

 

 

I did not know this story. Pretty seriously fucked up.

[CayceG]

14 minutes ago, legend said:

 

 

I did not know this story. Pretty seriously fucked up.

 

They made a movie about it in 1983 starring Merryl Streep, Kurt Russell, and Cher (of all people). 

 

But yeah, this sort of shit is more pervasive around whistleblower complaints than you think. 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

UK-France defence summit cancelled in Aukus row | Aukus | The Guardian

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Paris furious at scrapping of Australian submarine contract and new three-way technology pact

 

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A Franco-British defence ministers’ summit due to take place this week has been cancelled as Paris steps up its protests over the loss of a £48bn submarine contract with Australia and its secret replacement with nuclear technology from the UK and US.

 

Ben Wallace, the UK defence secretary, and his opposite number, Florence Parly, had been due to hold a bilateral meeting in London and address the two-day Franco-British Council, now the latest casualties of the diplomatic row.

 

 

[Nokra]

I think it's pretty pretentious of France to just assume they'll get invited to every ménage à trois. 

[Jason]

39 minutes ago, Nokra said:

I think it's pretty pretentious of France to just assume they'll get invited to every ménage à trois. 

 

But they invented the Eiffel Tower.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Aukus: Australia defends role in security pact amid French condemnation

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The PM defends ending the multi-billion dollar agreement in favour of a new pact with the US and UK.

 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Aukus pact: France to send ambassador back to US after Macron-Biden call | Aukus | The Guardian

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US and Australia not going back on cancelled €56bn submarine contract despite phone call with French president

 

[brucoe]

On 9/16/2021 at 6:25 PM, Mercury33 said:

Which is why I was curious. I live close to the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard and Bath Ironworks and everyone I know that works there says they’re crazy busy. So I was curious where they were gonna be built. 

Tony Stark is going to be building it in his basement garage.