Fizzzzle Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Bill would skyrocket Oregon beer, wine tax to fund addiction services WWW.KOIN.COM Oregon breweries and wineries could potentially be mounted with a significant tax increase if a proposed bill in the Oregon Legislature moves forward. This seems like an odd time to be trying to do this, as the industries it would hit hardest are ones that have already been hit hard by the pandemic. The craft beer and wine industry will be the first to feel the hit, as distributors try to narrow down their supply chain. Then distributors will get hit as restaurants start dropping them to narrow down their supply chain. Then restaurants will get hit as they start having to charge $13 for a pint of beer or $20 for a glass of wine, so no one wants to go out anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Misery loves alcohol, so good luck with that Oregon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 ALSO, I have a problem with ear-marked tax bills. I'd be curious to see the text of the proposal. A lot of times with this kind of shit, they're like "this money will go to [good thing]!" While what they're not saying is "we're stripping the funding we otherwise have for [good thing] because this bill will cover it!" Then, guess what happens. The bill has the desired effect, people stop drinking (in this case) and now the money for that program no longer exists. It's a common tactic to try and get bills passed that would normally be ridiculously unpopular by saying "bUt tHe MonEy woUlD gO to ThE ChiLdRen" or something. Like, bitch no, there was already money allocated to the children, you're stripping that away and using this as a distraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Maybe Oregon shouldn’t legalize drug use and they wouldn’t have an addiction problem. Just saying 🤷♀️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Biggie said: Maybe Oregon shouldn’t legalize drug use and they wouldn’t have an addiction problem. Just saying 🤷♀️ There is so much wrong to unpack there that I kind of don't even know where to start. I kind of think I'd have to write an entire treatise on prohibition and the war on drugs to unpack everything about your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Those prices are just about on par for sports events, and that's like for a bud light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said: There is so much wrong to unpack there that I kind of don't even know where to start. I kind of think I'd have to write an entire treatise on prohibition and the war on drugs to unpack everything about your post. Just ask @Greatoneshereto do it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: Those prices are just about on par for sports events, and that's like for a bud light. Beers at sports events are about to be like $18 if this passes. 1 minute ago, Biggie said: Just ask @Greatoneshereto do it for you. We could tag team it. It might actually be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Fizzzzle said: Beers at sports events are about to be like $18 if this passes. People will pay. I worked at a hotel and all the food and drinks were overpriced. Like a bottle of beer was 8 bucks and one of those small 300 ml bottles of Chandon champagne were like $20, ($40 for the big 750 ml bottle). People pay for the convenience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 https://www.kptv.com/news/oregon-bill-proposes-increase-in-alcohol-taxes-to-fund-behavioral-health-substance-use-programs/article_37b4a66e-770e-11eb-8f96-6f1851e19387.html Quote Oregon Recovers says the bill would increase on average a 12-oz beer by $.21 and increase a glass of wine by $.31. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 45 minutes ago, Remarkableriots said: https://www.kptv.com/news/oregon-bill-proposes-increase-in-alcohol-taxes-to-fund-behavioral-health-substance-use-programs/article_37b4a66e-770e-11eb-8f96-6f1851e19387.html That is ridiculous. A keg of beer from a wholesale distributor is like $130-200 depending on what it is, theoretically the cost on a keg will only increase by $35, but that doesn't account for the squeeze it puts on supply. There's about 120 pints in a keg (really more like 105 after waste, and that's if the keg isn't overcharged). You're talking about a 25% increase on a keg, which means fuck it I can't do math, you figure it out The owner of Ecliptic brewing said he estimates the price of a six pack will go from $11-$12 to $16. edit: I don't math good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 On 3/3/2021 at 4:37 AM, Biggie said: Maybe Oregon shouldn’t legalize drug use and they wouldn’t have an addiction problem. Just saying 🤷♀️ Want to Win the War on Drugs? Portugal Might Have the Answer TIME.COM In 2001, it became the first country to decriminalize the consumption of all drugs. After legalization, teen marijuana use drops sharply in Colorado - The Washington Post WWW.WASHINGTONPOST.COM One of legalization opponents' greatest fears has so far failed to materialize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 And alcohol is drug. Maybe we should try prohibition again to get rid of alcoholism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 All I care about is PA legalizing marijuana so that prices drop dramatically with medical marijuana. Medical marijuana is expensive af. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 @best3444 is a law abiding citizen. That's why he rear-ends people and then ducks out when they say they are seriously injured. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 That really seems like a pretty sizeable increase. It would increase it from $0.08 to $2.33 per gallon on beer, where ~$0.08 seems to be in line with other states. The tax structure is sufficiently complicated that it's hard to figure out exactly how much beer is taxed overall from creation/import to consumer purchase, but it does seem like a huge increase from what I can tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 NJ gas tax is getting fucking ridiculous. Go from the cheapest tax on gas to one of the highest. Fuck use tax. Tax the rich if you need money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 43 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: NJ gas tax is getting fucking ridiculous. Go from the cheapest tax on gas to one of the highest. Fuck use tax. Tax the rich if you need money. What happened? Did somebody close a pipeline or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: NJ gas tax is getting fucking ridiculous. Go from the cheapest tax on gas to one of the highest. Fuck use tax. Tax the rich if you need money. I used to come visit you bridge & tunnel crowd for the cheap gas, that's over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 The chances of this bill even getting out of committee are somewhere between "none" and "OLOLOLOLOLOLO". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iculus Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 40 minutes ago, Biggie said: What happened? Did somebody close a pipeline or something. Trolling? You don't actually believe that halting construction on a nonfunctional pipeline, from which most of the yield would be exported, has any affect on domestic supply do you? (rhetorical) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: The chances of this bill even getting out of committee are somewhere between "none" and "OLOLOLOLOLOLO". Thankfully it's been getting a lot of publicity, so the backlash has already been huge. I've been doing my part to make sure as many people as possible know about it. Plenty of bills don't get publicity and you end up going "fucking what?" when they pass. Like, Oregon raised the smoking age from 18 to 21 in 2017. It was never on a ballot measure, I never read anything about it, they just kind of snuck it in. Now the federal smoking age is 21 anyway, so it's whatever, but the bigger issue I had with the bill (that I didn't find out about until after it already passed) is the no-strike policy with vendor offenses. For example, with selling alcohol to minors, there's basically a 3-strike rule, with increasing fines until your third strike, which makes you lose your license to sell alcohol. For tobacco, there are no strikes. Accidentally sell tobacco to a minor, it's like a $10,000 fine and you immediately lose your tobacco license forever. To me, that's insanely harsh. Accidents happen. Sorry, I got on a tangent there. Point is, bills that should have no business passing through legislature do it all the time when no one is paying attention. And once a law is in place, it's much harder to repeal it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 47 minutes ago, Iculus said: Trolling? You don't actually believe that halting construction on a nonfunctional pipeline, from which most of the yield would be exported, has any affect on domestic supply do you? (rhetorical) Trolling? Who me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 37 minutes ago, BlueAngel said: Gas went from $2.30 to over $3 a gallon here since late January, thanks biden. This is one dumbass take right here, folks. An explanation based in reality: Gas prices are rising. But it started before Biden went into office | PolitFact WWW.TAMPABAY.COM Gas prices have gone up under President Joe Biden, continuing an upward trend that began in May 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, BlueAngel said: Gas stayed pretty much the same up until January, from January of 2020 it went from $2 to about $2.20 in December. Article is wrong. No, you’re wrong. I’ll take cited facts over your biased anecdotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 I’ll take things that pass the eye test over things read on the internet from the Tampa Bay Times lololol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, Biggie said: I’ll take things that pass the eye test over things read on the internet from the Tampa Bay Times lololol Well, we already know your relationship to the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iculus Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Biggie said: Trolling? Who me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Pretty simple eye test here. Let's see if you like it Biden President: People getting healthy = more people driving and going to places = higher gas prices Trump President: People dying = less people driving and going to places = lower gas prices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, BlueAngel said: Yeah no not even close, biden can't even make a coherent sentence. Every time I see or hear someone make a statement Iike this, I wonder what world they live in. Of course, this statement has nothing to do with the post he was responding to, so I’m guessing you’re just rambling whatever word vomit pops into your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 10 minutes ago, BlueAngel said: Yeah no not even close, biden can't even make a coherent sentence. I guess beings with lower intelligence can find Trump's sentences coherent, so that checks out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, BlueAngel said: Yeah that must be it, leave it to the left to right away attack someone instead of actually having a valid conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iculus Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 23 minutes ago, BlueAngel said: biden can't even make a coherent sentence. put up, or shut the fuck up with this nonsense. The People's Temple is calling you, and all of your friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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