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3 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

casino scene 

 

The hate for it is humorously overblown. Having rewatched the movie recently, it's like 10 minutes of a 2 1/2 hour adventure. And it's where we learn how well-off parts of the galaxy are that try to influence the war.

 

It's also not a poorly-constructed scene.

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16 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

The hate for it is humorously overblown. Having rewatched the movie recently, it's like 10 minutes of a 2 1/2 hour adventure. And it's where we learn how well-off parts of the galaxy are that try to influence the war.

 

It's also not a poorly-constructed scene.

 

It's a 10 minute stall in the pacing of a movie that was already dragging prior to getting to that scene. 

 

ALSO WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING WITH THE BIG TEXT

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Just now, Jason said:

 

It's a 10 minute stall in the pacing of a movie that was already dragging prior to getting to that scene. 

 

ALSO WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING WITH THE BIG TEXT

 

The pacing to the movie wasn't even slow lol. It certainly wasn't, "pew pew," like the final chapter, though, because it gave you time to breathe. It's also not a slow part of the movie, tf?

 

I have no idea what you're talking about with the big text.

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20 minutes ago, 2user1cup said:

And it means nothing

I’m starting to see a pattern in your inability to follow character, plot, and themes in films :p

 

5 minutes ago, Jason said:

It's a 10 minute stall in the pacing of a movie that was already dragging prior to getting to that scene. 

The only issue I have is the cat horse chase sequence itself. It gets in the way of what the scene needs to accomplish a bit. Everything else is fine. I never have understood the “dragging” issue, the film moves along quite well in my view.

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Film Critic Hulk has a great write-up about TLJ (which he loved) and the fanbase's obsession with the franchise. And he includes himself in the, "Why do we care so damn much about Star Wars?" crowd, so it's not a knock. This part sticks out:

 

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Back when the sale happened, please remember that certain hardcore fans were intensely relieved. So angry they were at Lucas, that they would now embrace anyone who could possibly do better. And things looked especially good when they hired Kathleen Kennedy (über-producer to one Steven Spielberg) to run the show. But how would both she and Disney handle this responsibility? What would they do with the Skywalker saga? Would they restore the brand to its former glory? Or would this be a chance to bring the world of Star Wars into exciting new possibilities? I normally avoid this sort of comment, but I think it’s telling. When the whole thing started brewing a few years ago, I had a creative friend tell me of a meeting where they were being pitched on the new Disney modus operandi. He reported the following: “if it doesn’t smell, look and feel like Star Wars ’77, they ain’t interested.”

 

This is an understandable instinct. After all, the biggest complaint with the prequels was that it all felt too polished, hollow and flat. These were, of course, failures of execution more than intent, but that didn’t seem to stop people from adhering to the belief. Not so coincidentally, I just recently just wrote about how we latch onto the “texture” of films while often ignoring their text. But Disney wanted to communicate clearly to the fans that they could rest assured by communicating this critical element of texture. It was as if they were saying, “this will look and feel like what you remember.” Every creative decision seemed to back this up. We’re shooting on 35 millimeter! Behold these demonstrations of practical effects! We’re going to use the designs that are familiar to you! It’s all going to have an earthy, worn-in feel!

 

I’ll admit was nervous about the hiring of J.J. Abrams for episode seven from the very beginning, and yet, oddly hopeful. I’ve always felt he was amazing at directing with energy and verve. I think he gets great performances out of his actors. And he might have the single best eye for casting in the universe. But when The Force Awakens came out, all his storytelling faults reared their ugly head, full of horrible conundrums because of the mystery box instincts. But, it was still really good at textural delights. And it did its job in launching a new adventure with characters I genuinely liked. For all my complaints, I still wanted to continue my journey. As far as Disney was concerned, it was a safe landing.

 

Meanwhile, Rogue One illustrated a different turn with a rockier production path. It doubled down on the obsession with getting the “texture” right, all but copying the design of A New Hope down to a T. And while Gareth Edwards certainly has a keen photographic sensibility, I really don’t think the movie has a lick of story sense, building a solid foundation before abandoning character arcs in pursuit of an out-of-control series of nakedly indulgent moments (I’ll get to the biggest one later). It’s a flawed beast. But again, while there was some division about its relative success, there was very little animosity. Because both of these films still did their “job” in terms of the popular consciousness, and delivering the high the fandom base craved.

 

But the biggest part, because I've encountered armchair people who said this phrase:

 

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It often comes with the assumption I am blinded by my obvious bias, and that is surely what’s preventing me from seeing that which they so clearly see as blatant ineptitude. They all seem to use the same story terms too; like how many Last Jedi haters have you seen argue that the film would fail a “screenwriting 101” test? But every time I point out that I literally wrote a book titled that, and explain why it wouldn’t, this only seems to lead to more indignation. It is downright impossible for them to think the storytelling of the film is on-point as hell, all because it does not reflect their emotional experience of watching it.

 

And we really have to talk about this.

 

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okay now that we're okay with posting spoilers.....let me begin my rant, not just for TRoS but for this entire freaking trilogy. As I have already stated much of what I loathed about TLJ I'll try and keep this rant to things I haven't covered before. I'm also not going to go in-depth on what I thought were pacing and logic issues with TRoS.

 

Let's start with JJ and Johnson having done more to make a joke out of the Force than when Lucas came up with the damn parasitic midichlorian bullshit. 

 

Okay so in Empire we saw Vader deflect laser bolts with his hand...but in TFA we have Kylo holding a laser bolt in mid-air...not only does he hold it there but he's barely paying it any attention, has a conversation with Poe and then lets it go. It seems like a crazy thing to be able to do, especially for someone who isn't a fully trained jedi/sith.

 

then in TLJ Johnson comes with this crazy ass cross galaxy telepathy. Now we've seen Jedi and those sensitive to the force be able to sense things (Ben sensing the destruction of Alladeran, Leia sensing where Luke is in Empire), but this takes that to the next level. Of course we are told this connection was facilitated by Snoak. Sounds like silly bullshit, but fine they can communicate...then at the end of the movie Luke does it, not to communicate with a single person, but to force project himself across the galaxy and EVERYONE can see him...oh an not only that he bring shit with him....ie the dumbass dice which he gives to Leia and which meant ABSOLUTELY F***ing nothing to anyone in the Star Wars universe.

 

Also in TLJ force ghost Yoda calls down the lighting and burns the Jedi temple.....more on this type of bullshit later.

 

Okay so lets go back to the crazy shit of force telepathy that happens in TRoS. Now not only can Rey and Kylo talk to each other (though how can they do that if Snoak is dead and he was the one facilitating that???) But they can ….touch each other. Kylo rips the necklace or whatever off of Rey's neck from across the galaxy. Didn't that kind of exertion kill Luke? Now they can do it willy nilly. Not only a brief touch. They have a f###ing lightsaber battle ...a LIGHTSABER BATTLE!!!!!!!!! in Kylo's quarters when Kylo isn't even there!!!!!! WTF. This of course leads us to the climax where Ben pulls the lightsaber out of his ass so he can fight the Knights of Ren at the end of the movie. While I admit that scene was visually cool, it was still incredibly ridiculous. 

 

How about we discuss the fact that everyone's force powers are a billion times stronger than we've ever seen before. The transport ship supposedly with Chewie onboard is flying at full thrust away, but Rey is able to stop it dead in the air....and of course Kylo is able to match it and they have a tug of war over the ship until is blows up. Seems rather crazy that two rather young jedi can do that...of course we did see some crazy powers on display in the Force unleashed II, but is that cannon? Now as crazy as that is....we they get the cloned emperor taking out the entire rebel fleet!!!! WTF!?!?! (yes I've said WTF many times.....this movie was full of WTF moments)

 

While we talking about those scenes with the rebel/sith fleets....WHERE IN THER HELL did the millions of people needed to man that MASSSSSSSIVE sith fleet come from? 

 

Let's jump back to the bullshit of force ghosts. We first saw them in Empire. Ben tells Luke to search out Yoda, then Yoda and Ben discuss 'there is another'. Yet in TLJ we learn they have power, Yoda destroys the temple. In TRoS we see Luke pull up the X-Wing, a sad attempt to pull at nostalgia of Yoda raising the Xwing in Empire,  but if these ghosts have so much power, whats the point of death...apparently Ben was right in A New Hope, strike me down and I become more powerful than you can imagine. So why the hell aren't these legions of jedi ghosts coming to the rescue? Since Luke feels like he failed Ben Solo, why doesn't he come to Ben's aid when he needs help the most? 

 

What was the point of this trilogy? Everyone is killed or dies in an attempt to redeem Kylo...only to have him die. So almost all the main character or the original trilogy died for nothing.

 

There are countless more things I can rant on, but I'll just end with one more....Chewie. JJ way over corrected his mistake from TFA. He barely mourns Han's death....but he seems totally devastated by Leia's passing. Sure he would definitely mourn her passing, but as I said it seems way overboard when compared to what we saw in TFA.

 

Oh one more...the last pathetic attempt at nostalgia, where JJ has Rey go to Tatooine...a place that meant shit to her...just so we can have her stand there with the backdrop of the setting suns. There is feelgood fan service and then there is painful fan service. this was cringeworthy. 

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2 hours ago, EternallDarkness said:

While we talking about those scenes with the rebel/sith fleets....WHERE IN THER HELL did the millions of people needed to man that MASSSSSSSIVE sith fleet come from? 

Apparently in the Visual Dictionary for ROS the ships were built and crewed by Sith loyalist that have lived in the planet for generations. 
 

2 hours ago, EternallDarkness said:

Oh one more...the last pathetic attempt at nostalgia, where JJ has Rey go to Tatooine...a place that meant shit to her...just so we can have her stand there with the backdrop of the setting suns. There is feelgood fan service and then there is painful fan service. this was cringeworthy. 

I never figured Rey going there had anything to do with her. Tatooine is where the Skywalkers came from. She went there to lay Anakin’s/Luke’s and Leia’s lightsabers to rest, like a burial. Like somebody today taking a family members ashes to the country if their birth to spread the ashes. 

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19 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

Spoiler alert: the force is just a plot device. Every Star Wars movie brings some new thing force users can do. What a bizarre thing to complain about :lol:

If RotJ came out in 2019 people would lose their shit over Palpatine being able to cast lightning spells without any kind of foreshadowing or tease.

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4 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

If RotJ came out in 2019 people would lose their shit over Palpatine being able to cast lightning spells without any kind of foreshadowing or tease.

I remember when I was a kid when he did that I was like :shock: "I didn't know they could do that!" The Force has always been vague deliberately... literally every movie introduces a new ability. It's space magic... there's no limit to what they can do with it.

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1 minute ago, EternallDarkness said:

 

I get that it's a plot device, but it's lazy as shit to keep pulling new increasingly ridiculous powers out of their asses. 

 

 

The O.T. did it ALL THE TIME! I don't remember anyone using Force Pull in the first movie and I don't remember anyone throwing Force lightning in the second one. And the thing with Rey and Kylo being able to pass objects to each other was set up in The Last Jedi. Kylo got wet from the water where Rey was and if I'm not mistaken they touched hands in one scene before Luke interrupted them. 

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3 minutes ago, EternallDarkness said:

 

I get that it's a plot device, but it's lazy as shit to keep pulling new increasingly ridiculous powers out of their asses. 

 

 

Like when Leia can hear/sense Luke and know precisely where he is after falling through the bowels of cloud city. Yeah, the Force has never been used as some Deus Ex-Machina. 

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5 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said:

Like when Leia can hear/sense Luke and know precisely where he is after falling through the bowels of cloud city. Yeah, the Force has never been used as some Deus Ex-Machina. 

 

I'm not denying it's been used that way before...constantly. It's a matter of pushing the suspension of disbelief beyond all reason. The stuff that happened in this latest trilogy wasn't just a minor incremental step beyond what we'd seen before. Leia finding Luke in Empire doesn't seem all that odd or supernatural or even force related if you happen to know any twins in real life, though of course that played it out as the force. For me I am just saying that it was way beyond what I was willing to accept. My rant doesn't include the crazy as story logic which seems to go from point A to G without ever hitting points B, C, D, E, or F :p 

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3 minutes ago, EternallDarkness said:

 

I'm not denying it's been used that way before...constantly. It's a matter of pushing the suspension of disbelief beyond all reason. The stuff that happened in this latest trilogy wasn't just a minor incremental step beyond what we'd seen before. Leia finding Luke in Empire doesn't seem all that odd or supernatural or even force related if you happen to know any twins in real life, though of course that played it out as the force. For me I am just saying that it was way beyond what I was willing to accept. My rant doesn't include the crazy as story logic which seems to go from point A to G without ever hitting points B, C, D, E, or F :p 

Problem with that logic, is we did not know they were twins until the next movie. 

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8 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said:

Problem with that logic, is we did not know they were twins until the next movie. 

 

Don't believe it is explicitly stated they are twins until RoTJ, but it was my assumption from the start, given that Ben says he and his sister's birth were hidden from Vader. Even without knowing the backstory I couldn't see multiple births over multiple years being hidden from him. 

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I'll just say I thought TROS was good as a standalone sequel to TFA. I basically view them as a 2-movie duology with tons of unanswered questions and bad storytelling. They are fun to watch, but you have to pretend that everything in Episodes 1-6 didn't happen and don't really matter.

 

I'd rank the movies 4, 6, 3, 5, 1, 2, rogue one, solo, 9, 7, the christmas special, 8.

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4 minutes ago, EternallDarkness said:

 

Don't believe it is explicitly stated they are twins until RoTJ, but it was my assumption from the start, given that Ben says he and his sister's birth were hidden from Vader. Even without knowing the backstory I couldn't see multiple births over multiple years being hidden from him. 

That conversation also happened in ROTJ. 
 

the only mention we get in ESB is Ben saying “that boy is our last hope” then Yoda saying “no, there is another” and that was it. 

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