Gaza/Israel Update (04/02): Israeli airstrike kills foreign workers of World Central Kitchen (Chef José Andrés food aid charity)

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

3 hours ago, TUFKAK said:

I’m sex positive and all but freedom fighters don’t execute non-combatants fuck this glorified escort.

 

If these assaults had been entirely directed at the Israeli military installations choking the life out of Gaza, then there would be no issue whatsoever with justifiably hailing these fedayeen as "freedom fighters".

 

But the atrocities committed against the civilian population negates such a characterization and the long-suffering people of Gaza are going to pay the butcher's bill for it.  Again.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Israeli fatalities now officially reported at 200. 

 

Palestinian fatalities now officially reported at 232.

[Jwheel86]

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When militants decide to suicide-by-cop their whole ass ethnicity

 

[Comet]

Just checked in with my Israeli friend who is thankfully in Tel Aviv. They’re beyond shocked at this, a total embarrassment by the IDF…

[Ricofoley]

Today's showing me how much Twitter/X has completely degraded as a source for news. If you click on a trend about this you just get hit with a wall of blue checks saying absolutely vile shit about Ilhan Omar. Maybe if you find every reputable commenter on Bluesky it's a viable option, but it's not there yet for me. I had no idea what was actually going on until I popped on here instead.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Of course, Israel's own terrorists (the settlers) have also been busy:

 

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Settler attacks across the West Bank are intensifying, Palestinians say.

 

In Yasuf, east of Salfit, 10 people were injured, six with live ammunition, according to Wael Abu Madi, deputy head of the village council.

 

“In our little village, we are constantly subject to settler attacks especially on our farmers, who are prevented from accessing their land,” Abu Madi said. “Yesterday, the settlers destroyed 40 trees and stole our olive harvest, and today they tried to raid the village with the help of the army, which fired live ammunition at us.”

 

He added three homes were burned “and they tried to burn another home with women and children in it”.

 

“Settlers also fired their own weapons and stabbed a young man as others surrounded a house for two hours before they fled when people from the village arrived.”

 

 

What has also to be of significant concern to Tel Aviv is the strong possibility that Hamas was able to insert other infiltration cells prior to today's main event and that those cells dispersed to locations well away from the Gaza frontier such as Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Be'er Sheva and are simply waiting for a pre-arranged time to strike.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

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Egypt talking with Saudi Arabia, Jordan in bid to calm fighting

 

Egypt is talking with Saudi Arabia and Jordan in an effort to defuse the ongoing escalation, the Egyptian foreign ministry has said.

 

Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry spoke by phone with his Saudi and Jordanian counterparts, the statement said.

 

He underlined the importance of “uniting international and regional efforts” to contain the escalating violence, a statement read.

 

Egypt maintains ties with both Hamas and Israel, and has been a frequent interlocutor in violent escalations.

 

[Air_Delivery]

22 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

Egypt talking with Saudi Arabia, Jordan in bid to calm fighting

 

Egypt is talking with Saudi Arabia and Jordan in an effort to defuse the ongoing escalation, the Egyptian foreign ministry has said.

 

Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry spoke by phone with his Saudi and Jordanian counterparts, the statement said.

 

He underlined the importance of “uniting international and regional efforts” to contain the escalating violence, a statement read.

 

Egypt maintains ties with both Hamas and Israel, and has been a frequent interlocutor in violent escalations.

That ship has sailed

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

This CNN analysis puts today's events in sharp perspective:

 

Live updates: Israel-Gaza conflict erupts into fighting after attack by Palestinian militants

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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared that Israel is "at war" following a surprise attack from Gaza by Hamas militants. Follow for live updates.

 

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An attack with no warning: Though Israel is no stranger to terrorist attacks, Saturday's assault was unprecedented – not least because of the lack of warning. Israel's military on Saturday found itself caught off-guard, despite decades in which the country became a technology powerhouse that boasts one of the world's most impressive armed forces and a premier intelligence agency.

 

The questions for Israeli authorities are legion. It has been more than 17 years since an Israeli soldier was taken as a prisoner of war in an assault on Israeli territory. And Israel has not seen this kind of infiltration of military bases, towns and kibbutzim since town-by-town fighting in the 1948 war of independence. How could a terror group from one of the world's poorest enclaves manage to launch such a devastating attack?

 

 

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A system failure: "The entire system failed. It's not just one component. It's the entire defense architecture that evidently failed to provide the necessary defense for Israeli civilians," said Jonathan Conricus, a former international spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces.

 

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So far, officials have said little: Israeli authorities will almost certainly look at where its systems failed on Saturday, but the country has not yet released figures on how many of the more than 2,000 rockets fired by Hamas militants were intercepted. Nor have officials commented on if the border fence did its job. And the Israeli military has repeatedly dodged questions about whether Saturday's events constitute an intelligence failure.

 

Military spokesperson Lt. Col. Richard Hecht told CNN that Israel was focused on the current fight and protecting civilian lives.

 

"We'll talk about what happened intelligence-wise after," Hecht said.

 

[Greatoneshere]

1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

But the atrocities against the civilian population negates such a characterization and the long-suffering people of Gaza are going to pay the butcher's bill for it.  Again.

 

Agreed. In their eyes however, I doubt they see any Israeli as a "civilian" and probably views them more as another person contributing (by just existing, living in Israel, thereby "supporting" crushing Palestinians) to the long suffering Palestinians who indeed will pay for what Hamas has done. 

[CitizenVectron]

15 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

This CNN analysis puts today's events in sharp perspective:

 

Live updates: Israel-Gaza conflict erupts into fighting after attack by Palestinian militants

WWW.CNN.COM

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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared that Israel is "at war" following a surprise attack from Gaza by Hamas militants. Follow for live updates.

 

 

 

 

 

Ah, employing the "now is not the time to talk about X" strategy.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

I AM WELL AND TRULY SHOCKED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT!

 

From Matt Stoller:

 

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The Israelis whose opinion I respect about Israeli politics and defense are putting this attack on Netanyahu and how he destroyed the military and intelligence services over the past eight months.

 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

From Noga Tarnopolsky, a reporter with over 20 years of experience in the region.

 

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The Israeli army warned Netanyahu for months that his push for government overhaul put Israel at great risk of a multi-front attack. He dismissed their warnings by accusing the military of "joining the left-wing protesters" against him. His ministers said army could go to hell.

 

From a British analyst based in Kyiv covering that war:

 

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It's impossible to escape the impression that Netanyahu was so focused on fighting a culture war against internal Israeli opponents his government failed to detect a very real war rapidly approaching. An astonishing intelligence failure on the scale of 1973.

 

[5timechamp]

This is going to necessitate a ton of Sportswashing by the heads of Hamas over in Qatar… maybe an F1 race this weekend

[Chris-]

2 hours ago, Ricofoley said:

Today's showing me how much Twitter/X has completely degraded as a source for news. If you click on a trend about this you just get hit with a wall of blue checks saying absolutely vile shit about Ilhan Omar. Maybe if you find every reputable commenter on Bluesky it's a viable option, but it's not there yet for me. I had no idea what was actually going on until I popped on here instead.

 

It is also distressing to see some of the takes from prominent media figures on the left. There are no winners in this situation, and some of the gloating I've seen about what is happening has been stomach churning. 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

4 minutes ago, Chris- said:

 

It is also distressing to see some of the takes from prominent media figures on the left. There are no winners in this situation, and some of the gloating I've seen about what is happening has been stomach churning. 

 

They're probably members of the very same "dirtbag left" who approve of the Russian aggression against Ukraine because somethingNazisinKyivesomething while conveniently overlooking that Putin's Russia is effectively a fascist state.

 

Oh, and I bet they think Beijing is just swell too, nevermind its relentlesss campaign against the non-Han Chinese population.

[Air_Delivery]

I have a hard time feeling too bad for Israel when they continue to allow the demolition of Palestinian homes for settlements. 

[Jwheel86]

Hamas released a video of a drone taking out an IDF tank Ukraine style. 

[Air_Delivery]

3 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said:

Hamas released a video of a drone taking out an IDF tank Ukraine style. 

I was wondering when this style of warfare would start to spread given how effective its shown to be

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

6 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said:

Hamas released a video of a drone taking out an IDF tank Ukraine style. 

 

It's this one:

 

 

[Jwheel86]

3 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said:

I was wondering when this style of warfare would start to spread given how effective its shown to be

 

How to cost effectively deal with them is going to be a major adjustment for modern militaries. The IDF just finished upgrading their active Armored Brigades with the Active Protective System after Hezbollah anti tank missiles mauled IDF armor in 2006. 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

2 hours ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

Agreed. In their eyes however, I doubt they see any Israeli as a "civilian" and probably views them more as another person contributing (by just existing, living in Israel, thereby "supporting" crushing Palestinians) to the long suffering Palestinians who indeed will pay for what Hamas has done. 

 

There is little-to-no doubt in my mind that's the case.

 

And that "understandable" sentiment is the harvest of poisoned moral fruit that's the result of decades of dehumanuzation of the Palestinian people by the Israeli state.

[TUFKAK]

She’s ok thank the gods, she’s in Tel Aviv right now. 
 

Seems our best option is her crossing into Jordan and flying out from there but she doesn’t seem too keen on the idea and I hate her for it.

[TUFKAK]

5 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

There is little-to-no doubt in my mind that's the case.

 

And that "understandable" sentiment is the harvest of poisoned moral fruit that's the result of decades of dehumanuzation of the Palestinian people by the Israeli state.

And I’m seeing normal well adjusted Jewish people calling for borderline genocide now as a result. 

It never ends.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Biden just issued a completely unsubtle warning to Iran and Hezbollah:

 

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Let me say this as clearly as I can.

 

This is not a moment for any party hostile to Israel to exploit these attacks to seek advantage.

 

My Administration’s support for Israel’s security is rock solid and unwavering.

 

 

Biden really does appear to have given the green light to Tel Aviv to do whatever the hell it wants to in Gaza.

[Jason]

16 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

There is little-to-no doubt in my mind that's the case.

 

And that "understandable" sentiment is the harvest of poisoned moral fruit that's the result of decades of dehumanuzation of the Palestinian people by the Israeli state.

 

This sentiment is definitely not fueled by sending the IDF to babysit crazy American Hasidic settlers while they beat the shit out Palestinians in the process of stealing their land.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

This sentiment is definitely not fueled by sending the IDF to babysit crazy American Hasidic settlers while they beat the shit out Palestinians in the process of stealing their land.

 

Definitely not.

 

Nope, not at all.

[Jwheel86]

IDF confirms that the Commander of the 933rd 'Nahal' Infantry Brigade is dead. 

[CayceG]

What a fucked situation. 

 

 

If Russia invading Ukraine is a war with a clear Good and Bad side, Israel vs. Palestine is a war you can accurately "bothsides."

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

One of the hostage situations has been resolved per the BBC:

 

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Hostages who were held in the southern town of Ofakim have been rescued, according to Israel's public broadcaster Kan.

 

Three Israeli soldiers were moderately and lightly wounded, the broadcaster has said in a post on Twitter. It added that the Hamas attackers had been killed.

 

 

[TUFKAK]

3 minutes ago, CayceG said:

What a fucked situation. 

 

 

If Russia invading Ukraine is a war with a clear Good and Bad side, Israel vs. Palestine is a war you can accurately "bothsides."

Not based on current actions, brutalizing non combatants, women and children, that description Wade referred to earlier for instance. Despite Israeli policy there’s a clear distinction here, until soldiers get let off the leash in the coming days that is.

[CayceG]

24 minutes ago, TUFKAK said:

Not based on current actions, brutalizing non combatants, women and children, that description Wade referred to earlier for instance. Despite Israeli policy there’s a clear distinction here, until soldiers get let off the leash in the coming days that is.

 

Today's attack didn't happen in a vacuum. There is a military response option available to even an insurgent force like Hamas to fight back against settlements and other things Israel's government has done. There's also an argument to be made (that I do not agree with) that the civilians in these border settlements are not innocent since they are willingly taking part in the apartheid government's policies. But none of that makes it worth killing random people in their houses and parading their bodies through the streets. Hamas had a choice. This is what they chose. Likewise, Israel has a choice. Given their track record, I'm confident they'll also choose foolishly.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

1 minute ago, CayceG said:

 

Today's attack didn't happen in a vacuum. There is a military response option available to even an insurgent force like Hamas to fight back against settlements and other things Israel's government has done. There's also an argument to be made (that I do not agree with) that the civilians in these border settlements are not innocent since they are willingly taking part in the apartheid government's policies. But none of that makes it worth killing random people in their houses and parading their bodies through the streets. Hamas had a choice. This is what they chose. Likewise, Israel has a choice. Given their track record, I'm confident they'll also choose foolishly.

 

I do want to point out that these locations are well within the internationally-recognized pre-1967 borders of Israel and are therefore NOT settlements in the manner as those in the West Bank.

[TUFKAK]

1 minute ago, CayceG said:

 

Today's attack didn't happen in a vacuum. There is a military response option available to even an insurgent force like Hamas to fight back against settlements and other things Israel's government has done. There's also an argument to be made (that I do not agree with) that the civilians in these border settlements are not innocent since they are willingly taking part in the apartheid government's policies. But none of that makes it worth killing random people in their houses and parading their bodies through the streets. Hamas had a choice. This is what they chose. Likewise, Israel has a choice. Given their track record, I'm confident they'll also choose foolishly.

And the non combatants in Israel proper, just collateral damage?

 

and if someone argues total war, the Palestinians will cease to exist. They support Hamas therefore legitimate targets by this argument 

 

A friend of mine asked me what our, aka Americans, response would be if the cartels crossed into the sw US and started murdering civilians on street corners and posting it to social.

 

We know the response.

[5timechamp]

23 minutes ago, TUFKAK said:

 

 

A friend of mine asked me what our, aka Americans, response would be if the cartels crossed into the sw US and started murdering civilians on street corners and posting it to social.

 

We know the response.

 

Well the US isnt going across the border and harming their people at that level. We only did that to Central America on the down low in the 70s and 80s.  Besides dont be giving the GOPers ideas for a false flag operation.