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Final Fantasy VII Rebirth (Remake Part 2) - "An Excellent But Inconsistent Experience" (Digital Foundry Technical Review)


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40 minutes ago, best3444 said:

You guys and your damn mini games. I don't understand how you can stand them. 

 

I completely dropped this game because of them. I haven't played in days and hope to get the will power to beat this before the GOTY comes out in the 22nd. 

 

 

In all fairness Best, this is you all over! You regularly get super invested in a game and then drop off hard and then come back. 

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7 minutes ago, legend said:

 

 

In all fairness Best, this is you all over! You regularly get super invested in a game and then drop off hard and then come back. 

 

Well it's because of the mini games! I was having an absolute blast in the beginning. It has nothing to do with me rather than the games obsession with completely slowing down the story's momentum to pad hours with boring ridiculous mini games. I'll still like the game and hope to beat it. But saying this is a typical move by me in this instance is inaccurate. 

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4 minutes ago, legend said:

 

 

In all fairness Best, this is you all over! You regularly get super invested in a game and then drop off hard and then come back. 

in a few days it’ll be GotY hands down bar none lol

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5 minutes ago, best3444 said:

 

Well it's because of the mini games! I was having an absolute blast in the beginning. It has nothing to do with me rather than the games obsession with completely slowing down the stories momentum to pad hours with boring ridiculous mini games. I'll still like the game and hope to beat it. But saying this is a typical move by me in this instance is inaccurate. 

 

Are you saying the other times there were not actual reasons you would cite for dropping off hard?

 

 

TBC, I don't mean this as some serious criticism of you. We all feel how we feel. But it is a common pattern that something will suddenly start bugging you really hard and you drop a game and then come back to it later when it won't bother you as much. You might just get fatigued with games more easily.

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Just now, legend said:

 

Are you saying the other times there were not actual reasons you would cite for dropping off hard?

 

I always have my reasons but with me being unemployed with oodles of time to play a game a game really has to do something I don't like for me to drop off.

 

Rebirth is an exceptional game and I will beat it but the mini games are pathetic and I voiced this immediately when I hit Costa del Sol. Everything was going masterfully well up until then. I really don't know what you're getting at. I beat most games in one playthrough. 

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Just now, Bacon said:

PLACE YER BETS

P L A C E  Y E R  B E T S!!!!!!!!!

Will Best beat DD2? Will he even make it Halfway through?!?!?!?!?!?!?

BETS. ARE. OPEN!

 

I'm just joshin' :p

 

I won't buy it if the fps are as bad as some are saying. But from what I played of the original, I'd see myself beating it. It's good stuff. 

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Just now, best3444 said:

 

I won't buy it if the fps are as bad as some are saying. But from what I played of the original, I'd see myself beating it. It's good stuff. 

Yeah. DD1 has FPS issues. It's just not something I want to put up with again in this kind of game.

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1 hour ago, best3444 said:

You guys and your damn mini games. I don't understand how you can stand them. 

 

I completely dropped this game because of them. I haven't played in days and hope to get the will power to beat this before the GOTY comes out in the 22nd. 

 

Dropped the first game because the slums were to depressing

 

The second game is so fun and full of minigames, gotta drop it.

 

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Mini games are what make Final Fantasy… well, Final Fantasy!

 

Whether it’s memorizing opera lyrics, snowboarding, card games, that’s what it’s about… and I guess the adventure too.

 

Plus, I can’t hate anything that gives me THIS fun throwback:

 

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9 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

Dropped the first game because the slums were to depressing

 

The second game is so fun and full of minigames, gotta drop it.

 

:p

 

I was also working so when I work I'm very fastidious about what I spend my time on. The slums were depressing at the time so I wasn't going to keep playing what I wasn't enjoying.

 

Fast forward to me not working with more time I appreciated the art style the slums had and the detail. I'm very picky with my games and have ever right to be. 

 

Also I never said I'm dropping Rebirth if you could read. 

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11 minutes ago, best3444 said:

Also I never said I'm dropping Rebirth if you could read. 

 

 

1 hour ago, best3444 said:

I completely dropped this game because of them.

 

In that case I never said you were dropping it either. 🤷

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7 minutes ago, Biggie said:

It sounds amazing! Not even Nintendo games run at 24 fps!!!

 

I'm out and about right now but I have to be sure what console will run this the best. Hopefully DF does a good comparison before launch. 

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5 minutes ago, best3444 said:

BTW, I'm exactly halfway finished with FF16 and so far it's been great. It has to hit a wall soon though, right?

 

You can probably go back through the 16 thread and find where you dropped it and see how close you are :p 

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6 hours ago, best3444 said:

You guys and your damn mini games. I don't understand how you can stand them. 

 

I completely dropped this game because of them. I haven't played in days and hope to get the will power to beat this before the GOTY comes out in the 22nd. 

It's fun to do lots of little things. There's nothing to "stand," it's like asking why people have fun at a casino, which is just minigames for people who want to lose their house. The idea of someone enjoying video games but not minigames makes my brain hurt. It's just a miniature game inside the game!

 

As for the Fort Condor timer, the trick for me was the neutral cleric units -- you sneak one or two in near your towers every once in a while, and eventually you have a nice little stack of them dealing damage but also healing your actual damage dealers. Them keeping your hard hitting units alive is the trick to not just getting fucking wrecked. You'll have a ton of trouble winning if you're not keeping thick meaty stacks of units alive. 1-2 fellas walking down the lane ain't enough. And taking advantage of fact that your placement line is pushed out farther once your units get deep enough into enemy territory (and no enemies are behind those lines, since they move it back) means you can also just straight up place catapults and shit right up against the enemy base. Once the big tower was targeting something else, I always started spamming these buildings.

 

To beat the timer, it's about stacking overwhelming damage, not necessarily countering every little thing the enemy does. Sometimes I'd just leave a lane unguarded except for a single unit to eat damage while I built an army on the other side. Depended on the stage.

 

Of course, no need to bother if you're not enjoying it! Plenty of other stuff to do, just an optional thing.

 

On 3/10/2024 at 11:20 AM, legend said:

 

I didn't find that one so hard. I did find the 3D brawler pretty tough though. I apparently am really bad at reading "which arm is down" when it's your turn to strike :p 

 

Haha, I know what you mean, I was bad at this at first too, because the wording was a bit strange. It literally means just look at which arm is hanging lower once the enemy is "tired" and has that blue aura. You have like a full 3 seconds to swing, so no need to rush it. At first I thought they were talking about during punches or something, as I kept thinking about the original minigame which was just "fuck you": the game.

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19 minutes ago, Xbob42 said:

Haha, I know what you mean, I was bad at this at first too, because the wording was a bit strange. It literally means just look at which arm is hanging lower once the enemy is "tired" and has that blue aura. You have like a full 3 seconds to swing, so no need to rush it. At first I thought they were talking about during punches or something, as I kept thinking about the original minigame which was just "fuck you": the game.

 

Yeah I did eventually realize that it was very literal and did better at it after that. But there was something super weird about it where for some of them my mind would want to read their other side as being more "open" even though technically the other arm was "lower."   Something about the pose seemed weird. I don't think I ever quite put my finger on why it intuitively signaled the exact opposite to me for some of the opponent models.

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1 minute ago, legend said:

 

Yeah I did eventually realize that it was very literal and did better at it after that. But there was something super weird about it where for some of them my mind would want to read their other side as being more "open" even though technically the other arm was "lower."   Something about the pose seemed weird. I don't think I ever quite put my finger on why it intuitively signaled the exact opposite to me for some of the opponent models.

Yesss, I had the exact same thought. To me that "lower" arm seems more like it's in the way, guarding the character, whereas the other one is usually pulled back!

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10 minutes ago, crispy4000 said:

Forget the other noise, everything concerning Kyrie is truly the worst addition to Remake/Rebirth.

Kyrie's the best, she slots into a story about evil corporations destroying the planet perfectly. She's the album company copyright claiming all the work you did!

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Played through the gears and gambits main mini games. Pretty fun. But you know would make it even more fun? No arbitrary timers! :p 

 

The timer seemed much more forgiving in this one, but I stand by it being a shit game design! It would have been far more interesting to remove it and just keep the waves coming until someone died.

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Alright, just finished up. 138 hours, but I did all the side content. I kinda feel like at the end they did what they did with Remake, where they stretch like 5 minutes of content into 5 hours, but it is what it is!

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13 minutes ago, Xbob42 said:

Alright, just finished up. 138 hours, but I did all the side content. I kinda feel like at the end they did what they did with Remake, where they stretch like 5 minutes of content into 5 hours, but it is what it is!

 

I don't know how you do it with that many hours. You must not get any sleep. 

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1 minute ago, best3444 said:

 

I don't know how you do it with that many hours. You must not get any sleep. 

It usually goes something like last night:

 

Think I've got maybe 20 minutes left, continue despite it being 1AM

Play for 2 hours

Realize I've actually got 3+ hours left

Go to sleep late and wake up feeling like absolute dog shit

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