SaysWho? Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Biden Tells Top Democrats He's Preparing Lobbying Blitz on Filibuster Reform, Voting Rights WWW.ROLLINGSTONE.COM The president, sources say, has promised to lean on centrists to change the filibuster rules and save Democrats' imperiled effort to pass a new voting rights bill Quote According to three people briefed on the White House’s position and its recent communications with outside groups, Biden assured Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that he was ready to push for filibuster reform. Biden’s pressure would aim to help Schumer convince moderate Democrats to support a carveout to the filibuster, a must for the party if it’s going to pass new voting protections without Republican votes. According to a source briefed on the White House’s position, Biden told Schumer: “Chuck, you tell me when you need me to start making phone calls.” Quote The Senate returns to work this upcoming week, and Majority Leader Chuck Schumer intends to call a vote on the For the People Act, the most ambitious reform bill in decades and the Democrats’ best shot at countering the wave of state-level GOP voter suppression laws this year. But to get the bill out of Congress, Senate Democrats will almost certainly need to change the filibuster, the procedural tactic used by the minority party to block many types of legislation. Quote Even with a lobbying blitz from Biden, the path to passing the For the People Act is a tricky one. A group of senators will soon release a compromise version of the For the People Act intended to satisfy Manchin’s concerns about earlier versions of the bill. Sources familiar with the compromise bill say it will focus on shoring up voting rights against GOP suppression laws, crack down on dark money and partisan gerrymandering, and create new policies to stop attempts at election subversion like what happened after the 2020 presidential election. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Remarkableriots Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 U.S. Senate Republicans poised to stop Democrats' voting rights bill WWW.MSN.COM U.S. Senate Republicans poised to stop Democrats' voting rights bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 So they have a plan do to a bunch of voting but there still will be a republican filibuster lmao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 What is with all these dumb ass rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Jesus Christ Almighty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Jesus Christ Almighty. Harry Reid must be spinning in his grave fast enough to power all of North America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 This country was designed to fail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Wait, so this "pass it back and forth" three times, is different than the budget reconciliation that you can only use once per budget year? Like, this wouldn't use up their ability to pass BBB if they actually come back to it? So, like, they could theoretically use this at any time on anything else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 11 hours ago, Uaarkson said: This country was designed to fail This shit isn't even ANYWHERE AT ALL in the Constitution. It's been made out of whole cloth along the way because of...reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 9 hours ago, Ricofoley said: Wait, so this "pass it back and forth" three times, is different than the budget reconciliation that you can only use once per budget year? Like, this wouldn't use up their ability to pass BBB if they actually come back to it? So, like, they could theoretically use this at any time on anything else? Who the hell knows at this stage?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Who the hell knows at this stage?!? The rules are you can only pass it once for budgets in reconciliation but you can pass a bill 3 times in recantcelliation unless they score first then you get one more shot to score unless it's a touchdown. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: This shit isn't even ANYWHERE AT ALL in the Constitution. It's been made out of whole cloth along the way because of...reasons. Hell the first actual filibuster took place well after every single founder was dead so it’s not even as if it’s one of those inherited English law things that are (unsurprisingly) very stupid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Hell the first actual filibuster took place well after every single founder was dead so it’s not even as if it’s one of those inherited English law things that are (unsurprisingly) very stupid The House had a filibuster and they got rid of it because it's dumb. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Everything we learn about "how Congress works" seems like fucking Calvinball. Like, you could tell me that whole process was made up YESTERDAY and I'd have believed you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 minute ago, CayceG said: Everything we learn about "how Congress works" seems like fucking Calvinball. Like, you could tell me that whole process was made up YESTERDAY and I'd have believed you. Practically all of it appears to be concentrated (unsurprisingly!) in the Senate aka "The World's Greatest Deliberative Body". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Really starting to sympathize with the Roman emperors who marginalized or ignored the senate 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Really starting to sympathize with the Roman emperors who marginalized or ignored the senate Make it like how Canada's senate functions—things passed in the House are sent to the Senate for approval. If the Senate amends or rejects it, it's sent back to the House. But if the House sends it back again, it will almost certainly be approved. However, this is because Canada's Senate is unelected, so it lacks legitimacy beyond being a house of "sober second thought." So typically it delays things for the House to reconsider, but it rarely if ever actually stops a bill (unless the delay causes public outcry which the House responds to). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Make it like how Canada's senate functions—things passed in the House are sent to the Senate for approval. If the Senate amends or rejects it, it's sent back to the House. But if the House sends it back again, it will almost certainly be approved. However, this is because Canada's Senate is unelected, so it lacks legitimacy beyond being a house of "sober second thought." So typically it delays things for the House to reconsider, but it rarely if ever actually stops a bill (unless the delay causes public outcry which the House responds to). I’m sorry but we’re talking about a broken democracy where getting anything like that requires 37 states (not people, people are irrelevant) to change the constitution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I’m sorry but we’re talking about a broken democracy where getting anything like that requires 37 states (not people, people are irrelevant) to change the constitution To be fair, Canada also requires some pretty strict steps to change the constitution, especially in big ways. Our Supreme Court ruled that if we wanted to make our Senate elected (or abolish it) it would require unanimous consent from all ten provinces. For smaller changes that only affect individual provinces, however, the constitution can (and has) be changed pretty easily (just that province and Parliament must agree). For most general changes that affect the entire country (but do not change the basic structure of government) the formula is: Consent of Parliament, the Senate, and the legislatures of 2/3 the provinces comprising at least 50% of the nation's population The Canadian constitution has never been changed in this way, though it came close twice. However, the constitution is only like 40 years old, lol, so it's pretty decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 This woman will not return to the senate when she’s up for re-election there’s zero doubt about it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: This woman will not return to the senate when she’s up for re-election there’s zero doubt about it She won't run, she'll decamp to a cushy Fox or Koch gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I mean that’s the almost explicit goal here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 22 hours ago, Jason said: She won't run, she'll decamp to a cushy Fox or Koch gig. Lmao this fucking moron 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Real possibility that she’s a spoiler funded by corporate interests leading to trumps election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Real possibility that she’s a spoiler funded by corporate interests leading to trumps election Sinema-Manchin independent ticket gets 12% of the vote and Trump wins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Just now, CitizenVectron said: Sinema-Manchin independent ticket gets 12% of the vote and Trump wins. Manchin won’t run for president. Sinema would pick Jeb or someone equally stupid (and republican but I repeat myself) and unliked for VP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 20 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Sinema-Manchin independent ticket gets 12% of the vote and Trump wins. Nah that's more dangerous to Trump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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