Jason Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Ron DeSantis could block Trump’s extradition if he’s indicted by Manhattan district attorney WWW.INDEPENDENT.CO.UK Under an obscure statute of Florida law, Governor Ron DeSantis could potentially investigate whether an indicted “person ought to be surrendered” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamusha Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Not an expert on this and am willing to learn more, but would that be unconstitutional? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share Posted May 15, 2021 Just now, Komusha said: Not an expert on this and am willing to learn more, but would that be unconstitutional? Yes, I think I saw that the constitution says states can't refuse extraditions between each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Jason said: Yes, I think I saw that the constitution says states can't refuse extraditions between each other. Just wait until the current SCOTUS says otherwise! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Trump’s not going to jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, SilentWorld said: Trump’s not going to jail. He won't even be indicted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 9 hours ago, SilentWorld said: Trump’s not going to jail. 9 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: He won't even be indicted Guys, this time last year we also thought there was no way Trump was losing, and even if he did, the Republicans would find a way to get faithless electors to flip and just hand him the states anyway. Have a LITTLE faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, MarSolo said: Guys, this time last year we also thought there was no way Trump was losing, and even if he did, the Republicans would find a way to get faithless electors to flip and just hand him the states anyway. Have a LITTLE faith. Faith of the heart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, MarSolo said: Guys, this time last year we also thought there was no way Trump was losing, and even if he did, the Republicans would find a way to get faithless electors to flip and just hand him the states anyway. Have a LITTLE faith. The only thing standing between what happened last year and a full blown constitutional crisis was about a dozen Republicans who are being purged from the party and their power stripped and handed to the gerrymandered republican legislatures so congrats we're out of the woods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 11 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: Just wait until the current SCOTUS says otherwise! Let's be real, Trump isn't going to get convicted of anything. BUT, there is no way on this planet that SCOTUS would rule that a governor could block a state from extraditing from another. The legal precedent set by that would cause the entire system to collapse. More than it already has. Think of it like this: If you have a warrant out for your arrest in Wyoming, and you get pulled over in Illinois, the warrant will show up on your record and you'll be arrested. Illinois will then shoot a doot to Wyoming saying "hey, we got this guy that apparently you want, do you want to come and get him?' If Wyoming wants you bad enough, they have to bear the cost of the extradition. They have to pay for various permits, legal fees, transportation, escorts, etc. There are a lot of times where the state will not bother with extradition because of those costs. And that's fine. In this case, DeSantis saying essentially "no, you can't have him" is an absolute direct violation to the constitution and if the supreme court ruled in favor of DeSantis, it would basically make every state its own individual country with extradition dependent on the governor. SCOTUS may do some weird shit, but this would be a case where everyone involved would just be like "bruh." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Here’s the thing, I was in the “Trump isn’t ever going to get convicted” camp until he went Charles Manson and got a bunch of people to storm the Capitol and kill people. Those images of the riots still show up on nightly news. People from that day are STILL getting rounded up and arrested, and every single one of them says the same thing: “I did this for Trump.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Given our long history of only holding the little guy accountable I wouldn't hold my breath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 We still eat twinkies, after all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 4 hours ago, Fizzzzle said: Let's be real, Trump isn't going to get convicted of anything. BUT, there is no way on this planet that SCOTUS would rule that a governor could block a state from extraditing from another. The legal precedent set by that would cause the entire system to collapse. More than it already has. Think of it like this: If you have a warrant out for your arrest in Wyoming, and you get pulled over in Illinois, the warrant will show up on your record and you'll be arrested. Illinois will then shoot a doot to Wyoming saying "hey, we got this guy that apparently you want, do you want to come and get him?' If Wyoming wants you bad enough, they have to bear the cost of the extradition. They have to pay for various permits, legal fees, transportation, escorts, etc. There are a lot of times where the state will not bother with extradition because of those costs. And that's fine. In this case, DeSantis saying essentially "no, you can't have him" is an absolute direct violation to the constitution and if the supreme court ruled in favor of DeSantis, it would basically make every state its own individual country with extradition dependent on the governor. SCOTUS may do some weird shit, but this would be a case where everyone involved would just be like "bruh." Not sure SCOTUS would even hear the case since this already been ruled on but I would like to know what happens if they do rule in favor of NYC and Florida man just ignores it. At that point what happens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 15 minutes ago, SimpleG said: Not sure SCOTUS would even hear the case since this already been ruled on but I would like to know what happens if they do rule in favor of NYC and Florida man just ignores it. At that point what happens? Then SCOTUS sends in their army! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 7 hours ago, SimpleG said: Not sure SCOTUS would even hear the case since this already been ruled on but I would like to know what happens if they do rule in favor of NYC and Florida man just ignores it. At that point what happens? I'm guessing the FBI would be sent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 16, 2021 Author Share Posted May 16, 2021 24 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said: I'm guessing the FBI would be sent. US Marshalls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jason said: US Marshalls? I think FBI since they have both Federal and State jurisdiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Maybe there would be some volunteers in the secret service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 The FBI can’t take people into custody on state charges, I don’t believe. The answer to the question is simple and harrowing: nothing would happen. The power of SCOTUS is in people going along with their rulings because they have no power to effectuate the rulings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 In all seriousness the marshals would arrest him. It'd be easy to charge trump with the federal version of the financial crime new york would want him for and send in Tommy Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: The FBI can’t take people into custody on state charges, I don’t believe. The answer to the question is simple and harrowing: nothing would happen. The power of SCOTUS is in people going along with their rulings because they have no power to effectuate the rulings. This is what I assumed. This country has been more or less following rules based on norms and we now have some that dont want to follow those rules and there isnt really a punishment . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: The FBI can’t take people into custody on state charges, I don’t believe. The answer to the question is simple and harrowing: nothing would happen. The power of SCOTUS is in people going along with their rulings because they have no power to effectuate the rulings. They can't. That's why it's a non starter. If SCOTUS decided that desantis could refuse extradition to another state, it's a Pandora's box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Well, he's not allowed to refuse. It's black letter law and demanded by the constitution. Problem is that there's no recourse of he just doesn't do what the law demands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Wouldn't it be up to the executive branch to enforce the Supreme Court ruling? Just as Eisenhower enforced the Little Rock School issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 29 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Wouldn't it be up to the executive branch to enforce the Supreme Court ruling? Just as Eisenhower enforced the Little Rock School issue. What happened there was the Governor sent in the national guard to deny access to the building, so Eisenhower federalizes the guard troops and orders them to protect the access of the children to the school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Besides even if we get unbelievably lucky and they indict the fucker and even if DeSantis goes full chud, it just means he can never realistically leave the state. Good luck running for president then, no rallies, no events, no nothing. The moment he steps on a plane the flight can be grounded and he can’t thread the needle and drive only through friendly states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, sblfilms said: What happened there was the Governor sent in the national guard to deny access to the building, so Eisenhower federalizes the guard troops and orders them to protect the access of the children to the school Even then he only did it because 1. Governor Faubus initially agreed to use the troops for protection but then when he returned back to Little Rock he openly defied Eisenhower, pissing him off 2. Eisenhower thought it showed weakness in the midst of the Cold War Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 This Twitter account ALWAYS seems to be on the money for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 That's a GREAT twitter handle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Mcconnell isn't a looney, he's just evil. You can't dismiss what he says out of hand. He's lawful evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 I keep waiting and waiting and Waiting for the heads of the Cult of Trump to be held accountable... pretty much given up hope on it.. I really want those dirtbags dragged into the light for everyone to see.. donald, ivanka, don jr.. the whole bloody lot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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