Greatoneshere Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Man, if we could get rid of Biden and Mayor Pete and have it be between Warren, Sanders, and Harris (who I like some, iffy on her some), that'd be awesome (of the current candidates). With one becoming president of the three and one becoming vice president of the three. I'd be very happy with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 I mean i get why they're doing it, but i'd be surprised if the map looks like that, theres a pretty good chance AZ, FL, GA, or NC flip as well, all were within like 5%, with 2018 elections being even closer, the map is changing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Forget that these idiots went to an event of a person who supports them to shout over her, but she went right into the issue instead of ignoring them or having them removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 On 7/13/2019 at 11:23 AM, Greatoneshere said: Man, if we could get rid of Biden and Mayor Pete and have it be between Warren, Sanders, and Harris (who I like some, iffy on her some), that'd be awesome (of the current candidates). With one becoming president of the three and one becoming vice president of the three. I'd be very happy with that. Harris, the woman who bragged about prosecuting parents for their childrens truancy, walked back her Medicare for All stance to satisfy rich donors, and made one good point against Biden in a debate? No thanks. I obviously know the nominee isn't going to be Gabbard, but she's the only Dem running I'd vote for (aside from possibly Biden). Otherwise, i'd absolutely vote 3rd party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 I'm honestly not seeing what puts Gabbard above the rest? Gabbard/Biden seem like a strange Top 2, but maybe it'll make sense if I hear the reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 22 minutes ago, TheGreatGamble said: Harris, the woman who bragged about prosecuting parents for their childrens truancy, walked back her Medicare for All stance to satisfy rich donors, and made one good point against Biden in a debate? No thanks. You listed all the reasons I don't like Harris, so I'm with you, but she seems to have reversed herself on a number of those issues/positions, though I don't trust it if she means it I can live with her. Biden sucks regardless. Vote 3rd party? Trying to help Trump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 30 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: I'm honestly not seeing what puts Gabbard above the rest? Gabbard/Biden seem like a strange Top 2, but maybe it'll make sense if I hear the reasoning. I like Gabbards strong stance on non-interventionism, I also agree with most of her world view. I much prefer her to Biden, but I do think Biden would be a good president. 15 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: You listed all the reasons I don't like Harris, so I'm with you, but she seems to have reversed herself on a number of those issues/positions, though I don't trust it if she means it I can live with her. Biden sucks regardless. Vote 3rd party? Trying to help Trump? I can't vote for Trump, but I also can't vote for Warren or Harris, because I don't think either are genuine, and don't think they could beat Trump anyway. Especially Warren, I think it would be another 2016. I will admit that if Bernie could show real policy to go with his ideas, I may support him. But thats always been my problem with him, lots of things he is going to do, but not one idea on how to get it done (Aside from tax increases on the wealthy that are NEVER getting passed without democrats having all three branches of government, which is a slim chance, and even with all 3 branches I don't think most centrist dems would vote to pass it). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 17 minutes ago, TheGreatGamble said: I can't vote for Trump, but I also can't vote for Warren or Harris, because I don't think either are genuine, and don't think they could beat Trump anyway. Well not with that attitude young man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 Warren's not genuine?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Warren's not genuine?! She's another establishment candidate who will say whatever the audiance she's speaking to wants to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 minute ago, TheGreatGamble said: She's another establishment candidate who will say whatever the audiance she's speaking to wants to hear. An establishment candidate who goes with the wind is the opposite of Warren. You, like, partially described Biden, honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: An establishment candidate who goes with the wind is the opposite of Warren. You, like, partially described Biden, honestly. The difference being Biden can beat Trump (possibly). Warren, like all the old guard, spent her career lying to the public to get what she wanted. Nothing she is saying she will do will get done, because the establishment doesn't want it done. Hence Kamala walking back MFA, and Pelosi promising insurers she'll kill MFA. Then theres the whole Native American debacle. Warren is a political opportunist, just like the rest. But again, my biggest problem with her is that she can't beat Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Warren is at fault for Kamala walking back MFA? I am so confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 22 minutes ago, TheGreatGamble said: The difference being Biden can beat Trump (possibly). Warren, like all the old guard, spent her career lying to the public to get what she wanted. Nothing she is saying she will do will get done, because the establishment doesn't want it done. Hence Kamala walking back MFA, and Pelosi promising insurers she'll kill MFA. Then theres the whole Native American debacle. Warren is a political opportunist, just like the rest. But again, my biggest problem with her is that she can't beat Trump. But Warren's not the old guard, nor is she an establishment candidate. The only things Hillary and Warren have in economy are not having a Y chromosome and being smart. I feel like you've never listened to her. I have for a long time, and her view of the country is one that put together safeguards to prevent boom-and-bust economies via the New Deal and then slowly removed one little strand from the ball until it blew up in 2008, in large part because wealth was concentrated in so few hands that it only took greed from a few to bring down the economy for the many. Like, this is just who she is and what she believed as a professor. She actually seems like someone who was passionate about these issues in the 90s and 00s and did what she could as a private citizen to protect consumers and then wanted to get into public service to make a bigger difference. This is the first time I ever heard anyone say she's establishment, and she's not. She's just not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Warren being an opportunist is top flight lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Lol, Warren entered the senate in 2012, old guard indeed. I honestly wonder if he's one of those paid Russian trolls, I mean who the fuck thinks Gabbard is the one. Polling seems to indicate that the top dem candidates can beat Trump, with the closer ones being lower on name ID, the big trend is Trump basically stuck in the low 40s against all of them. On top of this Warren's numbers have been getting better as we go, NBC/WSJ poll out today has her up 5, Sanders 7, Biden 9, and Harris 1. Trump's range in this poll? 42-44%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Listen everyone. If we do the half your Senate time plus 9 rule, Warren is clearly the old guard. Let's vote for the guy who was in the Senate for 40 years. And speaking of 40 years, we can't trust people who have been saying and doing the same thing for that amount of time to continue to do so. Let's give the lady who can't decide what she thinks about gay people a chance. Additionally, Harris sucks because she prosecuted the parents of black children. We need to vote for the guy whose relationship with the black community is the most questionable of all. And, if we don't think a candidate can beat Trump, we need to vote third party and do our part to ensure a Trump victory because the mythological perfect candidate wasn't chosen. Because if we don't like poor treatment of black people and minorities, people that are too old to function, nor people that can't make up their mind about a subject, then we need Trump. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 2 hours ago, TheGreatGamble said: I can't vote for Trump, but I also can't vote for Warren or Harris, because I don't think either are genuine, and don't think they could beat Trump anyway. Especially Warren, I think it would be another 2016. I will admit that if Bernie could show real policy to go with his ideas, I may support him. But thats always been my problem with him, lots of things he is going to do, but not one idea on how to get it done (Aside from tax increases on the wealthy that are NEVER getting passed without democrats having all three branches of government, which is a slim chance, and even with all 3 branches I don't think most centrist dems would vote to pass it). Warren not being genuine is the craziest hot take I've ever heard given her decades long consistency on issues, and both her and Sanders' policies are outlined in great detail on their websites so I'm not sure how you can say he hasn't shown real policies, since they are right there on his website. Bipartisanship has long been dead, so who cares whether they can actually pass something or not - they'll try and they may succeed depending on a number of factors but bothering with bipartisanship before we've even won the election is a waste of time with racist and stupid Republicans. That's partly what makes Biden so terrible. And this false belief that people are perpetuating that Biden can beat Trump doesn't make sense to me - I don't think that's a given at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 NBC News/WSJ poll shows the Imbecile-in-Chief losing to Biden (9 points), Sanders (7 points), Warren (5 points), and Harris (1 point). The margin of error is +/- 3.5%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 hour ago, SFLUFAN said: NBC News/WSJ poll shows the Imbecile-in-Chief losing to Biden (9 points), Sanders (7 points), Warren (5 points), and Harris (1 point). The margin of error is +/- 3.5%. I hope it's true, it's an opportunity to get a progressive in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Head to heads are sooooo useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jose said: Head to heads are sooooo useless. Everything is useless at this stage of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 minute ago, SFLUFAN said: Everything is useless at this stage of the game. Polls now are as useless as Rubio is always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Just now, SaysWho? said: Polls now are as useless as Rubio is always. Whoa, whoa - let's not go THAT far! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Everything is useless at this stage of the game. For sure, but head to heads are especially so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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legend Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 20 hours ago, TheGreatGamble said: I can't vote for Trump, but I also can't vote for Warren or Harris, because I don't think either are genuine, and don't think they could beat Trump anyway. Especially Warren, I think it would be another 2016 Voting theory is a well studied sub-area of game theory. This is known to be a bad voting strategy unless you honestly don't care whether Trump wins compared to those two. We need to learn to get over our "principles" and instead do the right thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 15, 2019 Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 Also, third party candidates are typically worse than the main parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 15, 2019 Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 Here is where the candidates stand now as far as making the third debates (they need 2% support from FOUR qualifying polls and at least 130,000 unique donors): They have until late August to meet the poll and donor threshold. I have to think that some of these guys will try to make waves in the July debates to improve their August poll numbers. Booker and Klobuchar are doing well in the polls but need to up their donor count. Beto, Castro and Yang all have the donor count but need to improve their poll numbers. I hope Inslee improves; I like his presence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 15, 2019 Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 Also, we're in the longest period of competitive elections since post-Civil War. We've also been competitive since Captain America: Civil War released in 2016, but we only have one data point for that. This graph puts things in even better perspective because if you look at 1996 and 2008, both Clinton and Obama coasted election wins, easily winning the popular vote and electoral vote. But it's so damn puny to so much of the 20th century. The 1960 election must have been interesting to witness/report considering how close it was. And because nobody knew the loser would become president and resign in disgrace years later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 He really isn't going to make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 43 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: He really isn't going to make it. Biden's mental capacity should be questioned at this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Anathema- Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 And Sanders slipping in the state he should be coasting in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Anathema- said: And Sanders slipping in the state he should be coasting in. Live free or die hard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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