Anathema- Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 8 hours ago, RedSoxFan9 said: It’s nice to see woke capitalism fall apart as soon as revenue is threatened Gonna be weird for them if there's a huge American backlash to this kind of move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 On the NBA side of things, Commissioner Adam Silver took a few days and decided that the league supports free speech, and that the "the NBA will not put itself in a position of regulating what players, employees and team owners say or will not say on these issues." In response, Chinese state TV canceled the broadcasts of the NBA preseason games, sponsors dropped out, and on Sportscenter this morning they had footage of the giant building side ads promoting the game being torn down. They also mentioned that the arena where the games were to be held is "suddenly unavailable" and that fans are now afraid to be seen on camera trying to get autographs from players. The $1.5B streaming deal with Tencent is apparently now in jeopardy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 On the Hearthstone front, the American University team held up a "Free Hong Kong" poster during the Collegiate Hearthstone Championship, which promptly lead to the stream being removed. They took the player cameras off for the remainder of the broadcast, and I expect it to stay that way. https://streamable.com/vrlcc Also, prominent Hearthstone streamer and caster Brian Kibler has announced that he will not be casting the Hearthstone Grandmasters unless something changes. He was planning on casting the Finals at BlizzCon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Anathema- Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 18 hours ago, Jason said: Powerful stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 China owns the NBA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 When China says jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 The NBA needs some tegridy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, 2user1cup said: When China says jump. Capitalists ask "How high and how much paper we gettin?" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Something that I hadn't thought about until I saw a tweet pointing it out is that the inciting event for both the Hearthstone and NBA issues happened on platforms that are not available in China. Neither Twitch nor Twitter work in China, so this was never about preventing discussion about Hong Kong from reaching the Chinese populace. It's about minimizing decent everywhere else. I think it's fair to say that the outsized response from both China and these companies has been a failure. Without the Streisand effect that tweet would largely have gone unnoticed, and the Hearthstone thing wouldn't have reached more than maybe 10k people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 22 hours ago, sblfilms said: China owns the NBA The players “have” to protect those post on the floor brands. It’s just as much or money to be made in China once they hang up the shoes. If it paid to be “social conscious,” like it does in the States, I’m sure they’d have something to say. Similar position for the league (who eliminated all media sessions for the rest of the tour); like any company, diversity, inclusion, and social awareness is only relevant if it positively impacts the bottom line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 americans should get used to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: americans should get used to this Beat me to it. What a transparent dude. You don’t create billion dollar personal valuations by doing the right thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 LBJ and foreign policy. Name a worse duo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: LBJ and foreign policy. Name a worse duo. Trump and <insert policy here> 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 King James is Tweeting Through It. "My team and the league went through a difficult week" doesn't really scan when on the other side we have... the entire population of Hong Kong and the Uyghur people. Hoo boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 21 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: LBJ and foreign policy. Name a worse duo. Toothpaste and orange juice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Is the Chinese market that important to the NBA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Just now, mclumber1 said: Is the Chinese market that important to the NBA? Post Yao Ming, yes. They buy lots of NBA stuff, and LBJ wants to be a movie star too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Is the Chinese market that important to the NBA? Gotta make sure Space Jam 2 gets in to the Chinese market! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Is the Chinese market that important to the NBA? Yes I believe the Chinese tv deal was $500 million. Add sponsorship and apparel, it is a lot of money. 5 minutes ago, CayceG said: Gotta make sure Space Jam 2 gets in to the Chinese market! Lebron needs that Chinese money to finance the movie. Yao Ming is a lock to appear now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 9 hours ago, thewhyteboar said: LBJ and foreign policy. Name a worse duo. Wait, I thought people wanted him to do more than shut up and dribble (which is exactly what the NBA asked them to do in this situation)? Hilarious. 闭嘴运球 - China Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 9 hours ago, mclumber1 said: Is the Chinese market that important to the NBA? Yes, the US is the only market more important, and even with that, growth in the Chinese market is greater. For players the post NBA money is well beyond what an be earned in the states, just from a basketball perspective. Add in other investments and, well you see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 44 minutes ago, Commodore D said: Wait, I thought people wanted him to do more than shut up and dribble (which is exactly what the NBA asked them to do in this situation)? Hilarious. 闭嘴运球 - China It was a joke about the president Lyndon Johnson... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 13 hours ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: Yes I believe the Chinese tv deal was $500 million. Add sponsorship and apparel, it is a lot of money. The original deal was $500M, the 5 year extension is $1.5B. NBA China, a separate business arm of the NBA, was valued at $5 billion. They estimate that NBA yearly revenue from China is ~$500M. Perhaps most importantly, nearly 500 million people watched the NBA in China last year. So while China might only be 6% of NBA revenue right now, the expectation is it could be far larger than that. So while the NBA makes a lot more money from China than Activision/Blizzard, they're both really fighting for hypothetical money than they are existing revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I heard a great analogy for the larger speech issue at play here that re-framed to me in a very clear way. When car manufacturers build new cars for the US, even though the federal government has separate standards from California, CA's are more restrictive. The easiest thing to do is obviously to just build cars to the more limited CA standard and sell them everywhere. Likewise, we're seeing the much more stringent GDPR privacy notifications and data retention become the norm because any website that wants to work in Europe has to follow that anyways, so best to just follow the more stringent rules everywhere, even if there isn't a penalty in the US. That's what we're starting to see happen with worldwide speech from large companies. China is writing the most constrictive rule set, so these companies are better off trying to play by their rules rather than police things in a more western fashion. It makes a lot of sense, and as China grows larger and gets more protective, it's hard to imagine any company with business interests there not fall into line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 15 hours ago, RedSoxFan9 said: americans should get used to this I don't think I have ever been this disappointed in an athlete i like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Zaku3 said: I don't think I have ever been this disappointed in an athlete i like. hahaha it's gonna be a long road ahead "I can't breathe" was a reference to his bank account Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zaku3 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/arsenal-mesut-ozil-pro-evolution-soccer-china-a4316616.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1576670197 Jesus. Waiting to see if EA follows suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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