Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Voting is about to begin in the Commons on the deal that her government negotiated with the EU. It is widely expected that the deal will be rejected by a historic margin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 *an historic, if we are following British convention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: *an historic, if we are following British convention 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: *an historic, if we are following British convention When they become the 51st state they better learn 'Murican. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 LOLOLOL at this NYT headline: Theresa May’s Brexit Deal Is Crushed by Parliament, Sending Britain Into Uncharted Waters Because up until this it was totally charted waters? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TwinIon Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 From the Post story: Quote May said she would reach out to members of Parliament to find out what Brexit deal, if any, they would endorse. Yeah, I'm sure she'll find the perfect solution before tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Everyone who supported Brexit should be hung, drawn, and quartered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 This gif seems to sum up May's strong and stable tenure..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 lolololololololololol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, TwinIon said: From the Post story: Yeah, I'm sure she'll find the perfect solution before tomorrow. Seems like that might have been a smart thing to do BEFORE putting the deal up for a vote. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Jason said: LOLOLOL at this NYT headline: Theresa May’s Brexit Deal Is Crushed by Parliament, Sending Britain Into Uncharted Waters Because up until this it was totally charted waters? God the times is garbage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 The thing is, the UK has no credible alternative to Theresa May. Think about that for a second. She will likely be replaced by Boris Johnson who is even dumber than she is. Jeremy Corbyn rules Labour with an iron fist due to the fact that he was put in place by the Labour base, and they also want Brexit. So if he becomes PM the UK will be in the same place. And after all of this... a plurality still oppose a second referendum, and want a "better" deal. The only ones to blame for this are the ignorant masses of the UK who want all of the benefits of the EU without paying any of the costs (or sharing the responsibilities). It's boomer entitlement taken to the extreme. Honestly I can't see any final outcome except a no-deal exit followed by a decade of instability and economic ruin, with the eventual rise of even more populist right-wing rulers who will blame those damned Europeans for all of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: She will likely be replaced by Boris Johnson who is even dumber than she is. Speaking of Boris Johnson, have Donald Trump and Boris Johnson ever actually been seen in the same room as each other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: The thing is, the UK has no credible alternative to Theresa May. Think about that for a second. She will likely be replaced by Boris Johnson who is even dumber than she is. Jeremy Corbyn rules Labour with an iron fist due to the fact that he was put in place by the Labour base, and they also want Brexit. So if he becomes PM the UK will be in the same place. And after all of this... a plurality still oppose a second referendum, and want a "better" deal. The only ones to blame for this are the ignorant masses of the UK who want all of the benefits of the EU without paying any of the costs (or sharing the responsibilities). It's boomer entitlement taken to the extreme. Honestly I can't see any final outcome except a no-deal exit followed by a decade of instability and economic ruin, with the eventual rise of even more populist right-wing rulers who will blame those damned Europeans for all of this. With an independent Scotland and Ulster re-united with the Irish Republic as potential side benefits! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just need the pound to stay stable so Liverpool can compete in the Champions League. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 If nothing else, this is at least exciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Can someone ELI5 how UK gov works? I literally have no idea and the Brexit thing seems confusing as fuck. They voted on removing themselves from the EU, and it passed. Now May is tasked with formulating a plan on how they are going to remove themselves and no one is buying into it? Since no one is buying into it, they may vote her out and another person will come in with a new plan to do it? What if their plan doesnt pass? Isnt there a deadline on when they were supposed to separate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 BBC isn't streaming so I'm watching Sky, one point they made was the only way out No Deal without a deal (2nd Referendum, Article 50 Extension, etc) is a formal bill (as opposed to a motion) which there isn't enough time to do with only 40 days left in Parliament and Hard Brexit MPs could probably delay until after March 29th. No Deal is the only thing on the books that MPs approved when they triggered Article 50. They've fucked themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, atom631 said: Can someone ELI5 how UK gov works? I literally have no idea and the Brexit thing seems confusing as fuck. They voted on removing themselves from the EU, and it passed. Now May is tasked with formulating a plan on how they are going to remove themselves and no one is buying into it? Since no one is buying into it, they may vote her out and another person will come in with a new plan to do it? What if their plan doesnt pass? Isnt there a deadline on when they were supposed to separate? I think March. They've been wasting all their time on this so far because no one thought they would win and there was no credible plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 4 hours ago, atom631 said: Can someone ELI5 how UK gov works? I literally have no idea and the Brexit thing seems confusing as fuck. They voted on removing themselves from the EU, and it passed. Now May is tasked with formulating a plan on how they are going to remove themselves and no one is buying into it? Since no one is buying into it, they may vote her out and another person will come in with a new plan to do it? What if their plan doesnt pass? Isnt there a deadline on when they were supposed to separate? The Conservative Party and their Northern Irish coalition partners (the DUP) can't agree on what kind of Brexit they want to do. The big issue is Northern Ireland, under the May deal if future Governments can't work out a deal regarding Northern Ireland's border with the Republic of Ireland, then the May deal automatically leaves Northern Ireland as part of the EU Trade Union forever (unless the UK and EU agree on something but the EU has no reason to negotiate at that point, they won), this is called the Backstop. This probably violates the Good Friday Agreement since there would be a defacto border between the rest of the UK and Northern Ireland, so the IRA might be back (unless the entire UK stays in the Trade Union but not the EU with any say over the rules, which is stupid). The Republic of Ireland also really don't want a hard border between them and the Northern Ireland if there is no border deal down the road, that's why they demanded the Backstop as an automatic fail safe. May isn't going anywhere, they hate her deal but won't risk Corbyn becoming PM in a General Election. The Conservative Party tried to remove her internally but failed and under party rules she's safe for a year. Only way it'll happen is if the Northern Irish (DUP) break with the coalition and vote with Corbyn tomorrow, which they won't do. Plus no one wants her job within the Conservative Party. May or whoever will have to go back to the EU and try for a deal that a majority of Parliament and the EU will agree on. The issue is nobody knows what Parliament wants. If no deal is reached by March 29th, the UK will leave the EU without a deal, which the Hard Brexit MPs now want but a majority of Parliament really don't want. The problem is there might not be enough time to put the pin back in the No Deal grenade (deadline extension or 2nd Referendum) since leaving on March 29th is a law passed 2 years ago and can't be repealed overnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has called Theresa May's administration a "zombie government" that "cannot govern" as he called for a general election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I remember Larry Miller had this standup joke about how getting back together with your ex is like taking milk out of the fridge, taking a drink, cringing because it's gone bad, and you stick it back in the fridge and say, "Maybe it'll be good tomorrow." That appears to be the strategy that the U.K. is basing their future on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I just can't believe how they have no good options. Well I mean they do (stay in the EU)...but they have no politically viable options due to their two major parties being totally inept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Greatoneshere Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 39 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I just can't believe how they have no good options. Well I mean they do (stay in the EU)...but they have no politically viable options due to their two major parties being totally inept. They have no politically viable options because the UK populace are straight up as stupid as we are on this side of the pond. The fact there isn't a majority of the UK, even now, for just holding another referendum that clearly wins to stay in the EU given how clearly impossible it is to leave it says all there needs to be said. The UK's very own population is trying to intentionally destroy itself. They can just stay in the EU, problem solved, but nah, they aren't into a solution as easy and simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 They want the benefits of the EU, but no Polish plumbers. That's basically the main issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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