DeSantis will be president in 2024

[SuperSpreader]

2 hours ago, CitizenVectron said:

Also, both things can be true, that it's easy to move (in terms of dropping things and leaving) while also being difficult in other ways. 

 

And if we're going to judge people for saying it's too difficult for them to leave where they live, are we also going to judge all the people here who live in shitty states like Texas and Florida that aren't moving right now?

 

I chose to move to TX and I'm not planning on leaving in the short term. I don't have to move because liberals are mad at TX. It doesn't prove anything. I'm hoping my next move is either NYC to Mexico City, but not for another few years. 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

1 hour ago, sblfilms said:

They are fine, they know they will be fine.

What a load of fucking shit, I’ll be fine so

id be ok with my daughters being subject of a harassing forced birth state? Come the fuck on. 

[SuperSpreader]

1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

What a load of fucking shit, I’ll be fine so

id be ok with my daughters being subject of a harassing forced birth state? Come the fuck on. 

 

More white women voted for Trump in 2020 than in 2016. While yeah it fucking sucks for women, women absolutely had a part in creating this situation. 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

8 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said:

 

More white women voted for Trump in 2020 than in 2016. While yeah it fucking sucks for women, women absolutely had a part in creating this situation. 

White women are and have been the vanguard of reactionary white supremacy since forever. From before the lies that got Emmett Till lynched to Phyllis Schlafly campaigning against the Equal Rights Amendment to the present day. 
 

but writing off all women (or white women in particular) is exactly the same as writing off Florida or Texas because of their reactionaries. 
 

But my point is that just because I’m cis white whatever doesn’t mean there’s nothing that won’t affect my life or those whom I care about and that I’d be “just fine” (also pretending that “accessory to an illegal abortion” or other crimes wouldn’t come in place!)

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

But my point is that just because I’m cis white whatever doesn’t mean there’s nothing that won’t affect my life or those whom I care about and that I’d be “just fine” (also pretending that “accessory to an illegal abortion” or other crimes wouldn’t come in place!)

Who you and your loved ones are does lower/raise the stakes. I don’t think that should be a remotely controversial notion, but OK.

[Remarkableriots]

1 hour ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

You better hope your wife doesn't check these boards.

She so wide she beeps when she backs up!

[stepee]

I feel like where I live would be pretty hard to move to because of our insane rent costs but I’m already here and wouldn’t want to live anywhere else in America so that worked out well.

[mclumber1]

Living in Vegas is alright, aside from the weather.  The amount of debauchery is just right, and although I don't really partake in any of the true "sin" city aspects of living here, it's nice that it's just minutes away!

 

Nevada, like many other western states, is being infiltrated with Californians (my wife being one of them), but I don't think it's necessarily politics that are forcing them out of California, but rather the economic conditions in California (which is partly due to politics) that is forcing them out.  I'd much rather live in San Diego compared to Las Vegas, but it would be difficult to stomach the increase in housing and energy costs, as well as paying (literally) infinitely more in state income taxes.

 

[Remarkableriots]

6 minutes ago, mclumber1 said:

Living in Vegas is alright, aside from the weather.  The amount of debauchery is just right, and although I don't really partake in any of the true "sin" city aspects of living here, it's nice that it's just minutes away!

 

Nevada, like many other western states, is being infiltrated with Californians (my wife being one of them), but I don't think it's necessarily politics that are forcing them out of California, but rather the economic conditions in California (which is partly due to politics) that is forcing them out.  I'd much rather live in San Diego compared to Las Vegas, but it would be difficult to stomach the increase in housing and energy costs, as well as paying (literally) infinitely more in state income taxes.

 

How much does a studio apartment cost in Vegas? Mine went up to $1,110 monthly for a studio.

[mclumber1]

6 minutes ago, Remarkableriots said:

How much does a studio apartment cost in Vegas? Mine went up to $1,110 monthly for a studio.

 

Not sure.  We bought our house in early 2020, just before COVID hit and the subsequent bonkers housing market spike.  

[BloodyHell]

4 hours ago, CitizenVectron said:

Also, both things can be true, that it's easy to move (in terms of dropping things and leaving) while also being difficult in other ways. 

 

And if we're going to judge people for saying it's too difficult for them to leave where they live, are we also going to judge all the people here who live in shitty states like Texas and Florida that aren't moving right now?

But those states aren't shitty. A lot of the red states are the most beautiful states, Texas and Florida included. Bad politics aside, I much prefer them to most of the coastal blue states. Florida, Montana, Idaho, Texas, Utah are some of the nicest states in the United States, with far more reasonable cost of living than most of the blue states. 

 

[BloodyHell]

1 hour ago, SuperSpreader said:

 

More white women voted for Trump in 2020 than in 2016. While yeah it fucking sucks for women, women absolutely had a part in creating this situation. 

To be fair, Trump had an increase in every demo except white men in 2020 over 2016, so maybe not the best example, but otherwise, yeah.

 

If theres one thing more important to white women than securing their daughters rights, it's ensuring their sons never suffer the consequences of their actions. 

[GeneticBlueprint]

48 minutes ago, BloodyHell said:

But those states aren't shitty. A lot of the red states are the most beautiful states, Texas and Florida included. Bad politics aside, I much prefer them to most of the coastal blue states. Florida, Montana, Idaho, Texas, Utah are some of the nicest states in the United States, with far more reasonable cost of living than most of the blue states. 

 

 

Re: beauty. Correct except for Idaho and Texas. The tippy top of the tiny handle where the most racist racists have their compounds in Idaho is beautiful. But the rest of the state is an absolute shithole of potato fields and brown dead scenery.

[BloodyHell]

46 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said:

 

Re: beauty. Correct except for Idaho and Texas. The tippy top of the tiny handle where the most racist racists have their compounds in Idaho is beautiful. But the rest of the state is an absolute shithole of potato fields and brown dead scenery.

I'm a deer hunter, I love shit holes of potato fields and dead shrubbery. I may be the minority in that, but I see no problem with it. Ill take that over even a small city. 

[SaysWho?]

On 7/16/2022 at 10:39 PM, Signifyin(g)Monkey said:

To be fair to the doomers—particularly the progressive ones—things are very grim right now, and the near-term path out of the dark valley is not all that visible.

All the vectors of US politics are currently telegraphing a period in which the progressive political project is about to take a beating.

 

-the Supreme Court is set to strike down any legislative victory progressives might win, or any advantage they might gain in the lower courts; they are also on their way to rolling back previous gains on major issues 

 

-Progressives have been successfully tied to ‘Woke’-ism, which is not only unpopular with most voters, but has started to undermine progressives’ traditional strengths in areas like education—the collapse in the Democratic advantage in polling about education, both in Florida and in Virginia, bodes very poorly for progressive performance in key swing states.  That they are starting to lose ground amongst key demographics like blacks and Hispanics, bodes even worse.

 

-Big data-augmented gerrymandering has made it so that even when progressives (or progressive-leaning centrists!) win over a majority of voters on the issues, they cannot effectively gain power.

 

Add that to the fact that the alt-right becomes less constrained by conventional institutional norms by the day, to the point where they are openly talking about nullifying presidential elections and sabotaging electoral machinery if progressives win at the ballot box.

 

There are very few clear, realistically achievable solutions to these problems in the near or medium-term.  
 

The non-delusional optimist really only has the long term left as a bright spot.
 

Basically, the optimistic case is:

-we might catch a lucky break (all six conservatives on the court might drop dead tomorrow!  Democrats might hold both houses during the next big redrawing of districts!)

-if we keep voting and organizing, and our political system can avoid a complete, Bosnia-style break down (or an Orban-style devolvement into right-wing authoritarianism) in the next few decades, we might be able to lay the groundwork for the millennials and the zoomers to build a better society, eventually solidifying progressive victories on reproductive rights, gay/lesbian rights, and presiding over a more tolerant, racially-integrated society.

 

So even the optimistic case still requires a reckoning with a very painful short-run.  
 

That doesn’t mean it’s okay to give up.  Giving up would cede the one thing progressives have going for them and betray both past and future generations of Americans.  But it does mean coming to terms with a very dark present.  In light of all that, perhaps we might be forgiven if wrestling with this bleak reality occasionally leads to something resembling ‘doomerism’.

 

 

 

 

There are definitely aspects of what's happening right now that are grimmer than the 2000s. January 6th forced that into perspective for me.

 

But it really feels like people on the left -- whether they're moderate, more liberal, progressive, whatever -- do this thing where they're either always doomed, or cocky and overconfident.

 

2000s? Definitely not as bad, but we saw the courts getting away from us even then, a crooked Supreme Court stopping a recount and basically installing the guy who didn't win more votes, a "rah rah America" Republican Party that tried to link Democrats to the "other," Democrats that lost election after election, and the mantra going into 2006 was, "Man, if Democrats can't even win here, they might as well throw in the towel." When Dems won in 2006, it was like getting power back for the first time in 50 years because it seemed like it took forever.

 

Then after 2008, Democrats were in Cloud Nine with huge majorities and control of most state legislatures, and even after 2010, I feel like Democrats were pretty confident they'd retain the presidency because of how bad the Republicans running in 2012 were. There was still some apprehension from parts of the base, but once the election was over, I don't think the feeling of superiority ever stopped for the next four years. Changing demographics would keep Democrats in control for a long time. And even with no power at all besides the White House, many were confident they would retake Congress and keep the White House in 2016.

 

Then 2016 happened, and that was a reminder of how little power Democrats really had because once the presidency was gone, there was no check on anything anymore. And despite all the signs Americans were having an impact as they protested and organized, people still thought Democrats would keep losing elections in 2017/2018.

 

Now we're predicting DeSantis wins in 2024 when we haven't finished 2022. I hate you all (respectfully).

 

On 7/16/2022 at 11:22 AM, mclumber1 said:

All it's going to take is having one prominent Democrat get pressed on that particular subject, coming to the same conclusion as @Kal-El814 and the GOP will have a gold mine for an entire election cycle.  So what do Democrats do in response?  Double down on that viewpoint, or reject it? 

 

I know that you're coming at this in good faith, having posted with you for a long time now, so please answer me this:

 

We always go through this cycle when it comes to social issues, and I wish we'd find a way to get past it. I don't know the perfect way to get past it, but I wish we'd break the cycle. Women getting the right to vote? That's going to tear apart the family. Gays serving in the military, openly or otherwise? Morale will be fucked. Don't Ask Don't Tell is now in place? Well, that's working, so no openly serving. Gays getting married? Dude, marriage has been between a man and a woman since forever; is marrying your dog next? It's not natural to like the same sex.

 

We went from people in power openly talking about fighting the "homosexual agenda" (Pat Buchanan's keynote address in 1992 was all about that culture warrior nonsense) and bashing homosexuals, to trying to be coy about it, to making it more preserving "the sanctity of marriage," to being coy about "religious liberty" and the ability to not serve someone who's gay. Now we've gone from to fighting homosexual agenda to fighting the LGBTQ agenda.

 

Eventually, I believe people will realize that trans people have been with us since forever, understanding the science is there that some people really are born the wrong gender, and that it's not worth having half of our LGBTQ friends contemplate suicide and accept them for who they are. For now, they need our backing to feel like they have a place with us; why play by conservatives' rules? 

 

And really, why DO we play by their rules? In Florida, our property insurance market is in crisis despite no hurricane landfalls since 2018 because of the Florida Supreme Court, which has been controlled by Republicans for ages. They've had power since the late 1990s and we're the least affordable state to live, our property insurance is surging to levels other states are not, and people who have lived here for ages are being priced out by rich people moving here. We brag about how we're taking all these transplants from other states, yet we simultaneously don't want them here because it's becoming too expensive to be a Floridian.

 

When Democrats stick up for a minority, we say they're out of the mainstream and not focusing on real economic issues (until people come around, and then we accuse them of just trying to win elections by being socially liberal). But when DeSantis focuses on "Stop WOKE" and LGBTQ and Disney, it's not seen the same way that he's not focused on out-of-control living costs in Florida?

 

How does any of this make sense? Why is a trans person a goldmine but not being able to afford to live in Florida not a goldmine?

[SaysWho?]

21 hours ago, Joe said:

 

Well there’s lots of good liberals in states like Florida and Texas that would rather stay and fight, which is worthy of respect!

 

Damn right. Actual millions of us!

 

16 hours ago, GeneticBlueprint said:

 

Re: beauty. Correct except for Idaho and Texas. The tippy top of the tiny handle where the most racist racists have their compounds in Idaho is beautiful. But the rest of the state is an absolute shithole of potato fields and brown dead scenery.

 

I can attest to the tippy top of that state. Soooo pretty.  

 

Also, kind of a weird point BloodyHell is making even though I've heard it a lot. I get it, but yo, Colorado is beautiful as all fuck. MANY beautiful areas in Washington, Oregon, and California. Beautiful history in New England. And Montana's got blue areas, and they're fucking beautiful.

 

And a lot of the prettiest areas in Florida are in the bluer counties, tbh, and the more mixed areas like Sarasota which has trended more liberal even though south Sarasota County is more Republican. South Florida, like South Beach or Palm Beach, are way nicer than a place like Polk County. Tampa and St. Pete are lovely. 

 

But the main weird point:

 

17 hours ago, BloodyHell said:

Florida, Montana, Idaho, Texas, Utah are some of the nicest states in the United States, with far more reasonable cost of living than most of the blue states. 

 

 

17 hours ago, BloodyHell said:

Florida far more reasonable cost of living than most of the blue states. 

 

 

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Florida is the least affordable place to live in the U.S.

WWW.CBSNEWS.COM

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Rent and home prices in the Sunshine State have hit stratospheric heights, making it the epicenter of America's housing crisis.

 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Re cost of living its because every single state did the same thing California did and only now are the rest of us catching up. We can look into the future and it’s looking a lot like California unless something major changes! And nimby dems aren’t going to help here, nor will republicans (they’re really the same group with regards to housing)

[CitizenVectron]

1 hour ago, SaysWho? said:

 

Damn right. Actual millions of us!

 

 

I can attest to the tippy top of that state. Soooo pretty.  

 

Also, kind of a weird point BloodyHell is making even though I've heard it a lot. I get it, but yo, Colorado is beautiful as all fuck. MANY beautiful areas in Washington, Oregon, and California. Beautiful history in New England. And Montana's got blue areas, and they're fucking beautiful.

 

And a lot of the prettiest areas in Florida are in the bluer counties, tbh, and the more mixed areas like Sarasota which has trended more liberal even though south Sarasota County is more Republican. South Florida, like South Beach or Palm Beach, are way nicer than a place like Polk County. Tampa and St. Pete are lovely. 

 

But the main weird point:

 

 

 

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Florida is the least affordable place to live in the U.S.

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Rent and home prices in the Sunshine State have hit stratospheric heights, making it the epicenter of America's housing crisis.

 

 

Yes but did you consider the cost of living in a swamp trailer in the panhandle?

[Uaarkson]

Average rent in Flint is $650 a month lmao. Things must not be too bad yet because no one is flocking to my city trying to buy up all the $10,000 houses.

[TUFKAK]

All this cost of living talk has the San Franciscan in me loling.

 

My rent before buying my house was 3100 for a 1-1/ 700 square feet.

[osxmatt]

DeSantis can't run for president because the GOP won't allow him to. Trump is a vindictive sociopath and if he's not the nominee he will run third party and torch their vote.

[Ominous]

35 minutes ago, osxmatt said:

DeSantis can't run for president because the GOP won't allow him to. Trump is a vindictive sociopath and if he's not the nominee he will run third party and torch their vote.

Don't get me excited 

[Uaarkson]

53 minutes ago, osxmatt said:

DeSantis can't run for president because the GOP won't allow him to. Trump is a vindictive sociopath and if he's not the nominee he will run third party and torch their vote.

[TUFKAK]

1 hour ago, osxmatt said:

DeSantis can't run for president because the GOP won't allow him to. Trump is a vindictive sociopath and if he's not the nominee he will run third party and torch their vote.

Fapfapfapfap

[SaysWho?]

10 hours ago, osxmatt said:

DeSantis can't run for president because the GOP won't allow him to. Trump is a vindictive sociopath and if he's not the nominee he will run third party and torch their vote.

 

10 hours ago, Ominous said:

Don't get me excited 

 

9 hours ago, Uaarkson said:

 

8 hours ago, TUFKAK said:

Fapfapfapfap

 

I fully believe if he doesn't win, he wouldn't be a team player and do exactly this.

 

I'm just trying to keep my expectations in check, not to be a Debbie Downer, but because I was hoping he was going to torch the Republican Party in 2016 when he systematically attacked each candidate who so much as looked at him funny.

 

Though if DeSantis were to beat him, that means DeSantis has to win reelection in Florida in 2022 to be considered viable in 2024, and boo to that.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Deshithead won’t be the nominee unless trump is 6 feet under sorry guys but in every poll of the gop primary at this point trump has over 50% he’s not losing