~*Official Canada Thread of Good Governance and Unnecessary Apologizing*~

[silentbob]

CPC party trying to show the truckers had to do a coup?!?

[CitizenVectron]

Good counter by O'Toole:

 

 

 

[Jason]

[CitizenVectron]

 

 

[chakoo]

O'Toole only has himself to blame for not getting that half of the party in line and constant flip flopping. With that said the CPC would make a huge mistake if they take Pierre Poilievre as the new leader. While there is a lot of people to dislike, the two people I hate in the party the most and would gladly go campaign for the liberals if either got the leadership role is Poilievre and christ church manifesto reading Michael Cooper. They can both go fuck off into the sunset.

[CitizenVectron]

8 minutes ago, chakoo said:

O'Toole only has himself to blame for not getting that half of the party in line and constant flip flopping. With that said the CPC would make a huge mistake if they take Pierre Poilievre as the new leader. While there is a lot of people to dislike, the two people I hate in the party the most and would gladly go campaign for the liberals if either got the leadership role is Poilievre and christ church manifesto reading Michael Cooper. They can both go fuck off into the sunset.

 

I don't know if the party is at the point of enough internal infighting to split up again...but if they really go hard towards getting those PPC voters back, then I think they will be. The Liberals' best tool to winning government is not to necessarily inspire people (though of course that's a bonus, like for any party), it's to stoke fear of what the Conservatives might do. Some of those fears are 100% valid, but they don't need to be to get people to vote—you just need people to be afraid of the alternative. O'Toole was a biiiiig improvement over Scheer, in terms of having a leader that was harder to make people afraid of. If there wasn't a pandemic, he probably would have beat Trudeau. The single best thing the CPC could do to ensure a fourth Trudeau win is to elect someone the Liberals can campaign against as on the far-right (especially if that person has a history of voting on religious matters, etc).

[AbsolutSurgen]

 

 

 

 

 

[CitizenVectron]

That's definitely true. Coalitions each party effectively needs:

 

Liberals:

• GTA + suburbs
• Montreal
• Urban ridings

Conservatives:

• Rural ridings
• Some western urban ridings
• GTA suburbs

The Liberals are fortunate in that they have a little more room for maneuvering—theoretically they can pick up more seats in Quebec and lose a few in Ontario if the Bloc are weak, and they seem to have a higher seat floor in the modern era than the Conservatives. But, either way, victory generally runs through the 905. Overall this is actually a great thing because the 905 is fucking diverse, and this means overt racism can't be tolerated in either party the same way it can in the US. Harper was a master (initially) at inviting in new immigrants on economic issues (much like Trump with Hispanic voters). If the CPC can really pivot to economics and lose the far-right crap, then they definitely are on more equal footing with the Liberals. Unlike in the US, they don't have enough of a floor from their base (being too concentrated in rural areas/the west) to play around with social conservative and nutjob issues.

[AbsolutSurgen]

 

 

[AbsolutSurgen]

CPC may have a constitutional crisis.

The caucus agreed to an act, where they can depose their party leader.

The party constitution does not allow the caucus to do this -- nor for them to select a new leader.

[CitizenVectron]

24 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

CPC may have a constitutional crisis.

The caucus agreed to an act, where they can depose their party leader.

The party constitution does not allow the caucus to do this -- nor for them to select a new leader.

 

Yeah, the reform act has some good stuff...but allowing caucus to remove the leader elected by the party is...not good.

[CitizenVectron]

O'Toole has been booted as party leader. I expect the party to shift hard to the right, not learning anything from the last few elections.

[CitizenVectron]

 

[chakoo]

 

If they elect someone more socially conservative they're just going to keep the liberals in power for longer.

[CitizenVectron]

Very moving:

 

 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

[CitizenVectron]

 

The party (in its current direction) is become very, very western-centric.

[CitizenVectron]

Parti conservateur | Candice Bergen écarte les députés du Québec de sa garde rapprochée

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La cheffe intérimaire du Parti conservateur, Candice Bergen, écarte les députés conservateurs du Québec de sa garde rapprochée.

 

 

The Conservative Party is becoming a regional grievance party, and unless it changes it doesn't stand a chance of forming government.

[CitizenVectron]

Pierre Poilievre is going to be the leader, no doubt, and I think it's going to cause some strife in the party. It sounds like Quebec Conservatives are not happy with the prospect of the party lurching even further right.

 

 

[CitizenVectron]

The constitution has been amended:

 

 

Well it needs to get Royal assent, but it's basically done. Minor changes to the Saskatchewan Act, within the document.

[CitizenVectron]

"He has such an online following!"

 

 

[CitizenVectron]

Wow. Basically, while the core 25-30% of conservative Canadians are still onboard with the CPC, their potential pool of voters has completely tanked due to these protests:

 

 

Unlike the US, they don't have a high enough ceiling to eke out big wins with a 5% swing, except when the Liberal vote is low and the NDP vote is high. That's always a possibility, but it requires a perfect storm (like 2011) for the CPC to win a majority now. 

[CitizenVectron]

While I would certainly love someone like Charest (progressive conservative) leading the CPC...I have to agree with David, that era is long gone. The red tories have effectively been absorbed into the Liberal fold near the centre, and the CPC is shifting to the Trumpian right:

 

 

[chakoo]

5 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

Wow. Basically, while the core 25-30% of conservative Canadians are still onboard with the CPC, their potential pool of voters has completely tanked due to these protests:

 

 

Unlike the US, they don't have a high enough ceiling to eke out big wins with a 5% swing, except when the Liberal vote is low and the NDP vote is high. That's always a possibility, but it requires a perfect storm (like 2011) for the CPC to win a majority now. 

 

But conservative fanfic was telling me otherwise. 

[chakoo]

Parti conservateur du Canada | Un réalignement politique en branle

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On pourrait assister au retour de Jean Charest ou à la création d’un nouveau parti

 

The CPC might end up splintering to own the liberals and JT, wait.......

 

[CitizenVectron]

I kind of assumed the evangelical wing would support Poilievre:

 

 

[CitizenVectron]

More and more conservatives buying into the conspiracy crap:

 

 

[AbsolutSurgen]

 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Pipelines are bad 

[CitizenVectron]

It's also possible to have different sides of the same group on one issue. Some Indigenous people will want it, and others will oppose it. That doesn't make opposing it wrong.

[AbsolutSurgen]

30 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

It's also possible to have different sides of the same group on one issue. Some Indigenous people will want it, and others will oppose it. That doesn't make opposing it wrong.

I don't think rich white foreign celebrities should claim to be speaking on behalf of an indigenous tribe in that situation.

[CitizenVectron]

 

 

Huge news.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

9 hours ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

 

Huge news.

Cpc response is trumpian

 

[AbsolutSurgen]

Historically, parties have learned that being part of a "coalition" means the junior partner gets killed in the polls at the next election.  Why would they do this if they don't get any Ministers?

 

 

Since there can't be anything legally binding, any deal is only one confidence vote away from evaporating.

[CitizenVectron]

2 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

Historically, parties have learned that being part of a "coalition" means the junior partner gets killed in the polls at the next election.  Why would they do this if they don't get any Ministers?

 

 

Since there can't be anything legally binding, any deal is only one confidence vote away from evaporating.

 

I suspect the NDP has finally come to the (correct) realization that their last chance (and only chance) of forming government was in 2015, and that they can do more for their cause with actions like this, acting as "Canada's social conscience." If they can get dental and pharmacare started with only 25 seats because they hold the balance of power, that gives them greatly outsized influence.