~*Official Canada Thread of Good Governance and Unnecessary Apologizing*~

[CitizenVectron]

But...where is the outrage? One user posted the picture on twitter? It seems like counter outrage within your bubble.

[AbsolutSurgen]

32 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

But...where is the outrage? One user posted the picture on twitter? It seems like counter outrage within your bubble.

Who used the term outrage?

[AbsolutSurgen]

 

 

Frank Graves is the CEO of EKOS Reserach.

[CitizenVectron]

1 hour ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

 

 

Frank Graves is the CEO of EKOS Reserach.

 

His firm does some good polling, but he himself is a nut who gets stoned every night and then drunk tweets. 

[AbsolutSurgen]

24 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

His firm does some good polling, but he himself is a nut who gets stoned every night and then drunk tweets. 

Not sure about the first, agree with the second. 

[CitizenVectron]

14 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

Not sure about the first, agree with the second. 

 

Some of his tweets are hilarious though, I'll give him that. When it comes to polling in Canada, I trust Leger the most for the national topline numbers (though Abacus and Mainstreet are also good), and then for predicting the outcome (on a riding-by-rising level) I think Mainstreet does the best job by far, followed very closely by Too Close To Call.

[AbsolutSurgen]

This one answer makes me want to learn more. 

[CitizenVectron]

The Conservative base isn't interested in positive solutions, it is interested in owning the libs. I live in the heartland of conservatism in Canada, and nothing matters more than embarrassing Trudeau. There are no real solutions being proposed for any of Canada's problems.

[AbsolutSurgen]

2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

The Conservative base isn't interested in positive solutions, it is interested in owning the libs. I live in the heartland of conservatism in Canada, and nothing matters more than embarrassing Trudeau. There are no real solutions being proposed for any of Canada's problems.

More people voted Conservative in the last federal election that lived East of the Manitoba/Ontario border than West of it.   Less than 30% of Conservative votes came from the Prairies. 
 

Prairies-style Conservatism is preventing us from getting a real alternative to the economic nightmare that is happening right now. 

[CitizenVectron]

Absolutely, the prairie base (which resembles the MAGA base) is what is holding the CPC back. But without it (for example, if they formed a new Reform/PPC Party), the CPC can't win.

 

Edit - and though only 30% of the CPC's votes come from Western Canada, 54% of its seats do. This is why the party caters to the crazies, and will for the foreseeable future. The party of Mulroney, Clark, and even Harper is gone.

[CitizenVectron]

In one of the most multicultural cities in the world, it's nice to see...two minorities at the Conservative rally?

 

Yes, Poilievre is firing up the base...but it's the white, angry base.

 

 

[CitizenVectron]

Oops, I apologizing for being the real racist:

 

 

 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

14 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

Oops, I apologizing for being the real racist:

 

 

 

Man being a Canadian columnist is going to get really easy soon. Just add “u“ to color and bam you can easily copy an oped from America

[Jason]

7 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Man being a Canadian columnist is going to get really easy soon. Just add “u“ to color and bam you can easily copy an oped from America

 

The wokeu moub are the real rasciusts.

[AbsolutSurgen]

 

 

[AbsolutSurgen]

 

[CitizenVectron]

Rupa is consistent in her efforts to show the .001% of minorities at white supremist and fascist events such as the trucker convoy, so it's not surprising she's going to bat for Poilievre. 

[AbsolutSurgen]

The notion that an Indian-Canadian Woman is supporting White Supremacy is farcical, and demonstrates the point of her OpEd.

[CitizenVectron]

1 hour ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

The notion that an Indian-Canadian Woman is supporting White Supremacy is farcical, and demonstrates the point of her OpEd.

 

I don't believe that she supports white supremacy, only that she supports the same goals as the party/people that support white supremacy, and she's willing to ignore their ugly side. It's like how you have Clarence Thomas on SCOTUS voting for stuff that reinforces white supremacy even though he himself isn't one, or how many Bernie Bros were willing to ignore racist stuff (or tankie stuff) in support of socialism.

[AbsolutSurgen]

Pierre Poilievre isn't a white supremacist.  The Conservative Party of Canada isn't a white supremacist party.  I have never seen anything to suggest that Rupa ignores white supremacy.

 

The trucker convoy was many bad things, but a facist event wasn't one of them.

[CitizenVectron]

CPC is basically

 

[AbsolutSurgen]

That would be the People's Party of Canada.

[CitizenVectron]

Just now, AbsolutSurgen said:

That would be the People's Party of Canada.

 

And there's a reason that polls show PPC members flocking back to the CPC if Poilievre is the leader.

[AbsolutSurgen]

 

I don't care what they call their convoy, this is what Rolling Thunder will always mean to me:

Amazing Game

[silentbob]

I hope they just don’t let them into the downtown core. If they do, they’ll pull the same shit again. Sadly the weather is getting slightly better for them as well

[AbsolutSurgen]

 

 

[AbsolutSurgen]

Don't break the law in Canada:

 

 

[AbsolutSurgen]

 

Ryerson University renames itself Toronto Metropolitan University.  It was previously named after Egerton Ryerson, who was instrumental to the design of the Canadian Public School system.  Critics of the old name, suggested that he was the "father" of the residential school system, despite the first residential school opening 16-years after his death (and ~50 years after he provided advice to Indian Affairs on how they could start to educate the indigenous population).

Calling it Metropolitan is somewhat strange, as it's root word is the Greek word "Metropolis" - which has one of its definitions as "the mother city or parent state of a colony, especially of an ancient Greek colony." 

 

In a similar note, in my region, Sir John A. MacDonald Senior Public school was renamed to "demonstrate PDSB’s commitment to dismantling oppressive practices and structures in service of our students, staff and community."

[CitizenVectron]

I mean, you can be the "father" of a bad thing without actually implementing it yourself. I have no issues with removing names of old people from old things. Heck, make it policy to rename things every 20-30 years!

[Jason]

3 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

I mean, you can be the "father" of a bad thing without actually implementing it yourself. I have no issues with removing names of old people from old things. Heck, make it policy to rename things every 20-30 years!

 

*stares in Jefferson Davis Memorial Highway*

[AbsolutSurgen]

In order to be the "father" of something -- you need to be involved in it.  I have not found any claims that he was in any way involved in the planning of residential schools.

 

Ryerson made some recommendations in 1847 about boarding schools for indigenous children.  The first residential school was opened in 1894.  This would be like someone being called the "father" of something that launched today based on some musings they did in 1975. 

[CitizenVectron]

On Ryerson (from wikipedia):

 

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Egerton Ryerson is recognized as a key influence in the design of the Canadian Indian residential school system. His expert advice was sought by the Department of Indian Affairs of the Province of Canada, leading to an 1847 report.[18] More than 50 years later (and 16 years after Ryerson died), Ryerson's recommendations for Aboriginal schools were appended to the first publication in 1898 of "Statistics Respecting Residential Schools" since the Indian Act (1876); "Agriculture being the chief interest, and probably the most suitable employment of the civilized Indians, I think the great object of industrial schools should be to fit the pupils for becoming working farmers and agricultural labourers, fortified of course by Christian principles, feelings and habits."[19]

 

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Ryerson's argument in 1847 that Indigenous peoples should be educated in separate boarding schools that were denominational, English-only and agriculturally/industrially oriented[20]: 16  was the framework used in Canada's residential school system.

 

So it sounds like he was in favour of (and gave advice for) taking and segregating Indigenous children from their families and other students, indoctrinating them into Christianity, and raising them to be field hands. Regardless if he lived to see that dream implemented...it was implemented.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

The only ryerson I like is Ned ryerson

[AbsolutSurgen]

1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said:

On Ryerson (from wikipedia):

 

 

 

So it sounds like he was in favour of (and gave advice for) taking and segregating Indigenous children from their families and other students, indoctrinating them into Christianity, and raising them to be field hands. Regardless if he lived to see that dream implemented...it was implemented.

Again, we are talking about the 1840s.  I would want to go back and look at my European history, but my recollection was that in that era the majority of people were working class, worked 12 hours a day and lived in slums.

 

He believed that by educating people, getting them invested in society and ultimately a better society for all.

 

What did he achieve?  He brought in compulsory education, free education and a common curriculum.  Those didn't exist in Upper Canada in the 1840s.  He believed those should be universal for everyone -- and yes, he did suggest those for indigenous people as well as non-indigenous people.   I have seen no evidence, however, that he was ever involved in the planning to remove a single indigenous child from their family - let alone be actually involved.  Let alone be actually involved in any of the abuse that happened in those schools.

[CitizenVectron]

34 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

Again, we are talking about the 1840s.  I would want to go back and look at my European history, but my recollection was that in that era the majority of people were working class, worked 12 hours a day and lived in slums.

 

He believed that by educating people, getting them invested in society and ultimately a better society for all.

 

What did he achieve?  He brought in compulsory education, free education and a common curriculum.  Those didn't exist in Upper Canada in the 1840s.  He believed those should be universal for everyone -- and yes, he did suggest those for indigenous people as well as non-indigenous people.   I have seen no evidence, however, that he was ever involved in the planning to remove a single indigenous child from their family - let alone be actually involved.  Let alone be actually involved in any of the abuse that happened in those schools.

 

I'm not knocking his public school stuff, people with bad beliefs can still do good things. But he advised on the idea of boarding schools for Indigenous children (which necessitates removing them from their homes), and placing them in the hands of Catholic administrators. He wasn't involved in the doing of it, but he approved of it.

 

And like I said—it's time we removed everyone from that era from buildings and everything else. Even the best people from then would be considered massive regressives by now. We should celebrate old accomplishments, but not the people who did them, necessarily. There's absolutely zero harm done by removing Ryerson's name from the school, and any outrage is steeped in snowflakeism.