b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Jason said: mark Kelly actually good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 mr right wing populism right here folks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted March 5, 2021 Author Share Posted March 5, 2021 21 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: No need to worry though, not really a big deal, definitely won't cost elections, isn't it exhausting being so negative all the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 5, 2021 Author Share Posted March 5, 2021 She wants to make the middle finger extra clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 I don't get what they are thinking. Give the GOP control back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 It's really stupid that we've wasted this past year not funding upgrades to UI systems (or federalizing them) so that we don't have to deal with flat $/week benefits instead of something like an 80% wage replacement scheme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 5, 2021 Author Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Hahahahaha what the fuck lmao we really are doomed aren’t we these fuckers all need to be primaried HARD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Cutting to $300 without the other changes is needlessly cruel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Just now, Uaarkson said: Hahahahaha what the fuck lmao we really are doomed aren’t we these fuckers all need to be primaried HARD There's nothing you can do to influence manchin, even if you're a WV voter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 I'm so so so mad that these democrats won't water the bill down so as to be useless just to maybe get Susan collins on board!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 5, 2021 Author Share Posted March 5, 2021 I just HATE helping people unless I have the cover of the Republicans wanting to do it too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stepee Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 You can’t really have a bipartisan bill when the other side doesn’t want anything besides rejecting anything your side does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 23 minutes ago, Jason said: Manchin sucks. It's time for some political pressure to be put on him. Oh, wait, sorry, I'm talking about the Democrats, that's never going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 He literally can't be pressured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Can we just make him Majority Leader and let him try find 60 votes? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: He literally can't be pressured I think there'd be ways politically to blackball him - I get that you're assuming if he was primaried on the left a right-winger would simply win his Senate seat in WV but then . . . so what? We just try to win a seat elsewhere in a more likely state. Unless you're assuming he doesn't care if he loses his seat? Biden could call his donors and have them pull support of him, for one thing. That's something he'd care about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: I think there'd be ways politically to blackball him - I get that you're assuming if he was primaried on the left a right-winger would simply win his Senate seat in WV but then . . . so what? We just try to win a seat elsewhere in a more likely state. Unless you're assuming he doesn't care if he loses his seat? Biden could call his donors and have them pull support of him, for one thing. That's something he'd care about. He could switch parties today and make Mitch majority leader immediately. And he'd probably be better off electorally for it, too. Especially if he's welcomed with open arms by Trump (even though he voted to convict twice) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Greatoneshere Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: He could switch parties today and make Mitch majority leader immediately. And he'd probably be better off electorally for it, too. Especially if he's welcomed with open arms by Trump (even though he voted to convict twice) That doesn't mean he can't literally be pressured. He can, I just don't know what the right way would be. And do you think Manchin would switch? I simply don't see him doing that, but you'd know better than I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Jason said: She wants to make the middle finger extra clear. I'm pretty sure that this was the proverbial icing on that "Let Them Eat Cake" symbolism: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: That doesn't mean he can't literally be pressured. He can, I just don't know what the right way would be. And do you think Manchin would switch? I simply don't see him doing that, but you'd know better than I. Openly berating him but having his back behind the scenes is the only thing I think could actually work. Openly berate him from the left is how he gets reelected because he's "standing up to the radical leftists". But that can only get you so far in a R+40 state when they can have full flavor coke and not diet coke zero with no difficulty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Openly berating him but having his back behind the scenes is the only thing I think could actually work. Openly berate him from the left is how he gets reelected because he's standing up to the radical leftists. But that can only get you so far in a R+40 state. Well they should at least try it then, right? I thought Biden and Harris' sneaky move to send her to VA to directly talk to his constituents without his knowledge was a pretty good move (basically openly berating him but having his back behind the scenes). That seemed to keep him in line for awhile. And do you think he'd really switch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I'm pretty sure that this was the proverbial icing on that "Let Them Eat Cake" symbolism: Imagine if the Dems could keep their party in line the way Mitch did with Republicans. The hilarious part is the (mostly poor) Republican base of Trumpers will eat this up, loving the cutting down of Biden's bill, when it would help them the most. Just to, ya know, own the libs, because that's more important. I really hate all of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Manchin must walk around all day with a mega-chubby just knowing that he is UNQUESTIONABLY the most powerful politician in Washington right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 5, 2021 Author Share Posted March 5, 2021 3 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: This is what happens when you are forced to legislate through the reconciliation process. You can't spend more you have to stay within the budget. LMAO apparently this was a 60 threshold vote. All of the Ds could have voted yes and then just blamed it not going through on the Republicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Greatoneshere said: Well they should at least try it then, right? I thought Biden and Harris' sneaky move to send her to VA to directly talk to his constituents without his knowledge was a pretty good move (basically openly berating him but having his back behind the scenes). That seemed to keep him in line for awhile. And do you think he'd really switch? He could always threaten it, with credibility. The question is could he win a republican primary. Would there be crossover of historical Dems to vote for him in a republican primary against a real crazy? Would the right wing crazies run a third party campaign against him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Admittedly I don't think he stands a chance of winning shit as a republican 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: He could always threaten it, with credibility. The question is could he win a republican primary. Would there be crossover of historical Dems to vote for him in a republican primary against a real crazy? Would the right wing crazies run a third party campaign against him? 4 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Admittedly I don't think he stands a chance of winning shit as a republican Yeah, that's the thing, I don't think switching over helps him much and he certainly loses all his clout, I would think. Perhaps that's where the pressure be applied? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 He'd be turning 77 in 2024 when he's up for reelection again so he could also just retire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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